Fireforming .303 cases fir a .410

[Edward Horton]

I use an overshot cardboard wad cut from mat board with a sharpened punch made from a sawed off .303 round - held in place by a glob of white glue.

Regards,
George

Our tax dollars at work, don't you people in Bld 54 have any work to do

[Patrick Chadwick]

Villiers,

when you've finished with all the interesting alternatives, why don't you just buy 410 shotshells?

Of course, the trick is to know that in Mauserland they are sold as "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen".

Just go to the Johannsen site, download the online catalog, and you will find "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen" somewhere about page 98 +/- a couple.

Yes, they are the same. Somewhere I once read an interesting article on how the whole caliber rating got screwed up when it came to the Cal.36/410. But it is sufficient to know that they are the same!

Patrick

[Pattern14]

Our tax dollars at work, don't you people in Bld 54 have any work to do

Oh s*** now the secret is out!

[Edward Horton]

Villiers,

when you've finished with all the interesting alternatives, why don't you just buy 410 shotshells?

Of course, the trick is to know that in Mauserland they are sold as "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen".

Just go to the Johannsen site, download the online catalog, and you will find "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen" somewhere about page 98 +/- a couple.

Yes, they are the same. Somewhere I once read an interesting article on how the whole caliber rating got screwed up when it came to the Cal.36/410. But it is sufficient to know that they are the same!

Patrick

Lets see, a British Enfield shooting a .410 shotgun shell made in Germany,

We will have to let the neutral Swiss decide what the correct head space should be.

And the British and Americans members here can argue over who invented it.

(Its deja vu all over again)
http://cartridgecollectors.org/410/collecting410.htm

3 inch
2 inch
& 1 1/2 inch

[Patrick Chadwick]

I dug out this from "municion.org" - a site that is very valuable if you get into the "how the hell do I fudge up one of those" situation, which is common if, like me, you have a fancy for shooting BP guns in obsolete calibers.

410 Bore / Calibre 36 / Gauge 36/ 12 mm/ .410 Shotgun / 12 mm plomb / 12 xxx CBC xxx
Los .410 también son conocidos como calibre 36 (y 12 mm).
La primera referencia oficial al calibre .410 está en un documento de 1904 de la Royal british; el mismo documento tiene un 36 gauge (con el "correcto" .506" de diámetro).
Originalmente los .410 fueron diseñados para disparar un cartucho de 2" cargado con aproximadamente 5/16 onzas. Después se produjeron armas para manejar uno más largo de 2"½ . cargado con 7/16 onzas. La mayoría de los .410 modernos son de 3", cartuchos que pueden cargarse con ¾ onza.
Es un cartucho para el zorro y animales pequeños a 50 yardas.

Patrick

[Patrick Chadwick]

Edward,

I once saw for sale on an unmentionable auction site the following curious item: a bolt head for (I believe) a Mauser 1871 which incorporated a strong-looking coil spring. It was properly machined, not Bubba'ed, and seems to have been made with the idea of forcing the cartridge base hard up in the chamber, regardless of rim thickness. I was tempted to buy it as a curiousity, but here in the land of DIN you need an entry in your firearms licence just to get a spare bolthead! So I gave it a miss.

(The legislation means, for instance, that the idea of getting a handful of Lee Enfield bolt heads and trying them out for headspace optimization is just not practical in this particular piece of the wonderful world in which we live.)

Patrick

[Edward Horton]

No hablay espanyole

"Pronounced four-ten, the .410 shotgun is a bore and not a gauge because the barrel diameter is .410 inches (10.4 mm); a true gauge is a measurement of the number of lead balls of bore diameter that constitute a pound (454 grams). The .410, when measured by gauge, would be around 67 or 68 gauge, not the sometimes mistakenly assigned 36 gauge. A true gauge measuring .410 would have a 2.25 inch (57 mm) bore; a 410 gauge would measure .225 inches (5.7 mm). In the US, the .410 is the only popular shotgun cartridge named by bore rather than gauge, though it is often referred to as a four-ten gauge. In the United Kingdom and other English speaking countries, all shotgun sizes are called bore, whether measured by gauge or bore diameter."

[JBS]

Around this area when we want to fire form a case without using a bullet we use hardened bee’s wax. Pour the melted wax into a oiled pan the depth of the case neck and let cool. With the powdered case hold pan upside down and press case neck into wax and twist when you hit the pan. Withdraw case and it will have a nice wax plug.

Two Notes.
1 The wax will cause a lot of damage when it leaves the muzzle, fire form outside safely.

2 A great deal of research went into this method. It took us several months to figure out how to get the wax in the case neck. Every time we tried it the powder would dump out of the case onto the slab of wax.

[Edward Horton]

"A great deal of research went into this method. It took us several months to figure out how to get the wax in the case neck. Every time we tried it the powder would dump out of the case onto the slab of wax.

I thought most Texicans were Irish and not Polish. (Or are you an Aggie)

Class of 68
Flour Bluff High School
Corpus Christi Texas

[villiers]

Villiers,

when you've finished with all the interesting alternatives, why don't you just buy 410 shotshells?

Of course, the trick is to know that in Mauserland they are sold as "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen".

Just go to the Johannsen site, download the online catalog, and you will find "Kaliber 36 Schrothülsen" somewhere about page 98 +/- a couple.

Yes, they are the same. Somewhere I once read an interesting article on how the whole caliber rating got screwed up when it came to the Cal.36/410. But it is sufficient to know that they are the same!

Patrick

Peter ... this is what I got from Johannsen (via: MidwayDEUTSCHLAND - Gualandi Light Game Shotshell Slug 410 Bore 93 Grain Lead/Wad Bag of 25). Expensive! Abd it took months to get. But it works and I now want to use brass cases and make my own slugs or ball.

BTW ... Sportarms sent me LE bolt heads nae bother ... WITHOUT asking for a WBK.