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its all screwy in the end, strength and all as I have held worn out surplus rifles that were still better made then SOME current production rifles I have held at the gun store.
I guess when a rusted out m1 carbine or enfield has better build quality then a brand new Mossberg bolt action, undustry sucks
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Too many unknowns to comment sensibly. Just about all the military rifles will meet the criteria, based on subjective opinions.
My preference to meet all these criteria would be LE no 1 MkIII* or No 4 Mk2. Followed by FAL. Fired many thousands [literally] of rounds in all three. Battle proven. Followed by AK47. Fired no rounds but the rest applies.
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M1 Garand and M1 carbine
They cover all of the bases,have a history of major success and there are enough variations and markings on them to make them fun for collectors to seek, obtain and research.
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K31, fast, extremely accurate, very powerful, very durable, well balanced, manageable recoil.
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the model 96 bolt looks a lot like the enfield from the rear, feels like somebody was copying somebody elses toys.
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Originally Posted by
Atticus Thraxx
I got curious my own self. The porting on my
K98 bolts is considerably more generous and it has the beefy shroud the Swede lacks. Not giving up my Swedes though. Not like I look like Brad Pitt anyway.
Thanks. I’m on holidays and far from the rifles...
34a cp., btg. Susa, 3° rgt. Alpini
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Well I think I've got some plausible answers. The trouble is, I haven't yet understood just what the question is. Too many aspects all jumbled together. But I reckon that most of my rifles, having past their first century or so, will still be banging away safely when none of us are around to worry about it.
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Originally Posted by
Patrick Chadwick
Well I think I've got some plausible answers. The trouble is, I haven't yet understood just what the question is.
I glad its not just me then that read the OP in utter confusion.
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Originally Posted by
pocketshaver
surplus rifles.
safety of design
recoil
usefulness of the cartridge
cost of reloading
cost of factory new ammunition
longevity of the gun itself.
Depends on what your goal is. If it is shooting, the two main factors would be the cost of ammo/reloading and condition of the rifle. Possibly amount of recoil. Possibly cost of the rifle.
If its collectability, it depends on what your goal to is to collect. Personally my current goal is a action type collection featuring as many different actions as possible as I love the mechanical history and function of them.
Others might collect based off certain wars/countries (WWII being a obvious one for many). Plenty of reasons to collect all dependent on what you want.
Safety of design isn't really a factor for collecting purposes, only shooting purposes. For example I would not shoot a Vetterli 70/87/15 but I will shoot most other military rifles in serviceable condition. However for longevity your not going to find as many long lived service wise as them.
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