No 4 Mk 1 T Trials rilfe

[Lance]

Still looking for Watson #1186, I hope it is still out there......... A few years ago the matching scope can for my rifle showed up across the country. The generous owner traded me even for another can. For your reference attached is a photo of the marking of an early HBM scope (not mine) slightly younger than the one you are looking for.

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[B & B ARSENAL]

Lance,

Thanks for the info. Otherwise, I would have been looking for a scope that didn't exist. The scope can on your attachment, is that the can you traded for?

[Surpmil]

Nice rifle. Looks very familiar. Mine were A0507 and A0703. The first had scope 1161, and the second 3511. Showing that scopes from William Watson & Sons and Houghton Butcher were arriving at Enfield concurrently, which of course fits with the details we learned from Peter's book on the No4(T) about how serial number blocks were allocated to the different makers of the No32.

Now, the "ROF.M.No.4.MkI." T that I had, SN 11618 had scope number 1423, and of course, no T or TR stamps as per these trials rifles. Which suggests that the Maltby conversions were done at RSAF Enfield concurrently or immediately after the trials No.4s.

Makes me wonder if some or all of those Savages we see with no T or TR stamps were also converted at Enfield.

The HBM No3142 above is interesting as it shows HBM dropping the "1941" from the markings very early in their production, before 150 scopes had been made. No doubt because adding dates would allow production quantities to be estimated; wartime security!

Someone out there doing a spreadsheet on these numbers?

[Peter Laidler]

Nearest I've ever seen since I started to keep records in 1968 is 3533. Close, but no cigar! Also, no trace of 13534 either

[Valleysniper]

Closest I got is here is H.B.MCo 3449, and 4587, and some earlier Watsons.

[bigduke6]

Closest I got is here is H.B.MCo 3449

Have 3458.

[B & B ARSENAL]

In an earlier post on this thread, Peter Laidler said he is aware of scope 3533 which is only one away for 3534.

I'm still hopeful that it is out there somewhere.

[Lance]

The can is the one I traded for and has my rifle and scope s/n; it is not original 1941 issue but it matches! No luck on scope #1161 or 3511 on my scope records of girls I have come across. Here are a couple pic's of the earliest girls I have seen posted on the internet over the years.

[rayg]

Is this the correct magazine on my Trials T ?
Mine also has the screw in the cock, Ray

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[Lance]

That is the correct magazine plate for it. If the spine is marked like the one in the photo you have a factory Enfield mag which is correct on the SMLE VI or Trials No. 4. The cross screw cocking piece is from the SMLE Mk VI but frequently shows up on Trials No. 4's so that is acceptable too!!