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    Thanks to all of you for taking your time to help me out. I will consider getting the book, and most likely will. I'm interested in a Mauser right now, and will get one. The Lee-Enfield will probably be my 2nd gun, because I plan on getting all 5.
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    Not to me, Ppl in here have picked up first class no4 mk2s for around that money.

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    Mathew that's a dirty word on this forum (Mauser) but If I was starting out and looking for a Enfield to shoot and if there is a good source of milsurp ammo, I,d go for a Ishaphore 2A1, cheap rifle and cheap to run. (and you can fix a proper bayonet on it)
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    Not to be a prick, but SS_Sniper, you might want to rethink your handle, especially if you are 14 years old. I say that on two accounts:

    1) Not a lot of folks that like UKicon equipment are all that enamored of the SS organization overall; even the Waffen SS are viewed with a wee bit of suspicion and some measure of scorn.

    2) To the older WWII generation and those that knew them, Snipers are viewed as being just a few steps above serial killers and frankly, not deserving of any sort of quarter in the heat of battle or after. The modern world sees that specialty otherwise, but that worldview is still very much alive among the older crowd.

    Just something to think about. Regardless I hope you find Enfields and history behind it as enjoyable as we older chaps have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    Not to be a prick, but SS_Sniper, you might want to rethink your handle, especially if you are 14 years old. I say that on two accounts:

    1) Not a lot of folks that like UKicon equipment are all that enamored of the SS organization overall; even the Waffen SS are viewed with a wee bit of suspicion and some measure of scorn.

    2) To the older WWII generation and those that knew them, Snipers are viewed as being just a few steps above serial killers and frankly, not deserving of any sort of quarter in the heat of battle or after. The modern world sees that specialty otherwise, but that worldview is still very much alive among the older crowd.

    Just something to think about. Regardless I hope you find Enfields and history behind it as enjoyable as we older chaps have.
    You're not being a prick. I choose this name because I like reading about the SS, specifically their snipers. I am, by no means, supporting what they have done. I don't agree with your statement about snipers in general, they are no different than a recruit.
    Thanks, Matthew

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    You should agree with Freds statement about snipers Matt..... I was the snipers Armourer for a couple of years and then went back older, wiser, more mellow but much senior in rank many years later. I'll say no more except I know the sort of lads that go in and come out 6 weeks later.

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    Matthew,

    I do understand that young folks today see sniping as something a bit glorious and endearing. My specific comments were related to my father’s generation that fought WWII and his father’s generation that fought WWI. Many of my friend’s fathers were Korean War vets, so I guess it covers that cohort as well, but I cannot say I ever heard that conversation among Korean vets.

    To those who were actual combat vets of that era, snipers, the real item, not the chaps banging away during battle, but dedicated snipers were viewed with contempt. If caught they were killed, no quarter given or expected. In the pacific, if they were burning from a flame thrower hit, (a rather horrid death) no effort would be made to shorten that agony, they would not waste the bullet. It was one of the few topics I recall the vets being somewhat strong worded about and they did not speak much about that sort of thing around young chaps such as I.

    I recall asking my father about this, most likely around your age or slightly older. He was not a combat vet, (entered too late) but was around those vets that remained in the US Army between WWII and Korea. His comment was that a sniper shot men who could not fight back, at times when they were helpless, like taking a crap or whenever vulnerable. To shoot a man who could not fight back was seen as being not that far from cold blooded murder. As he described it to me, such conduct was seen as lacking in some basic moral underpinning or character on the part of the dedicated sniper. I cannot be more precise, as it was just sort of the atmosphere growing up and I absorbed it as it was.

    Now I never heard the same sort of view of the enemy common soldier, at least in the ETO (attitudes were much harsher in the pacific). The enemy draftee, or regular soldier was viewed, at least 20-some years after the war as a fellow pretty much like themselves, at least as regards combat.

    By the way among the folks I knew growing were both Germanicon and American vets, of both WW I and WWII, and these views were shared by both sides. I cannot comment on how the Commonwealth solders saw it, but I would expect it would not be all that different.

    None of the above is meant to chide you, just to explain how prior generations viewed the world. You are a young man starting out in the world and are interested in firearms, battle and all that is related to that. Part of that knowledge is learning how the prior generations saw the world. The views of the modern day are in some ways different. As you grow, experience life, loss and garner wisdom you may find that these prior generations worldview to be more refined and civilized than the one we find ourselves in now. Welcome to the forum and I hope you stay on and become part of the next generation of collectors, competitors and shooters.

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    Matthew,

    I do understand that young folks today see sniping as something a bit glorious and endearing. My specific comments were related to my father’s generation that fought WWII and his father’s generation that fought WWI. Many of my friend’s fathers were Korean War vets, so I guess it covers that cohort as well, but I cannot say I ever heard that conversation among Korean vets.

    To those who were actual combat vets of that era, snipers, the real item, not the chaps banging away during battle, but dedicated snipers were viewed with contempt. If caught they were killed, no quarter given or expected. In the pacific, if they were burning from a flame thrower hit, (a rather horrid death) no effort would be made to shorten that agony, they would not waste the bullet. It was one of the few topics I recall the vets being somewhat strong worded about and they did not speak much about that sort of thing around young chaps such as I.

    I recall asking my father about this, most likely around your age or slightly older. He was not a combat vet, (entered too late) but was around those vets that remained in the US Army between WWII and Korea. His comment was that a sniper shot men who could not fight back, at times when they were helpless, like taking a crap or whenever vulnerable. To shoot a man who could not fight back was seen as being not that far from cold blooded murder. As he described it to me, such conduct was seen as lacking in some basic moral underpinning or character on the part of the dedicated sniper. I cannot be more precise, as it was just sort of the atmosphere growing up and I absorbed it as it was.

    Now I never heard the same sort of view of the enemy common soldier, at least in the ETO (attitudes were much harsher in the pacific). The enemy draftee, or regular soldier was viewed, at least 20-some years after the war as a fellow pretty much like themselves, at least as regards combat.

    By the way among the folks I knew growing were both Germanicon and American vets, of both WW I and WWII, and these views were shared by both sides. I cannot comment on how the Commonwealth solders saw it, but I would expect it would not be all that different.

    None of the above is meant to chide you, just to explain how prior generations viewed the world. You are a young man starting out in the world and are interested in firearms, battle and all that is related to that. Part of that knowledge is learning how the prior generations saw the world. The views of the modern day are in some ways different. As you grow, experience life, loss and garner wisdom you may find that these prior generations worldview to be more refined and civilized than the one we find ourselves in now. Welcome to the forum and I hope you stay on and become part of the next generation of collectors, competitors and shooters.
    I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't see sniping as a " role of beauty" in war and don't admire it at all. I only enjoy the history and like to see how people carried themselves in a time of war. I agree 100% with what you have to say. All of my Grandparents from both sides served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, but they died before I could ask them any questions about them. I'm sure what you said above would be the same answer they would come up with.
    Thanks, Matthew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    Welcome to the forum and I hope you stay on and become part of the next generation of collectors, competitors and shooters.
    And keep away from them Mausers , but on a serious note there are a few wise words to be had from Fred, maybe his first post was a bit staright to the point, as we have all been 14 at sometime on here, some more recent than others !!! at that age I was collecting medals and bayonets and digging up old .303 cases, mortor fins etc on an old training ground, but most of the time I was thinking about Christine Tyson, in fact I still think about her....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    And keep away from them Mausers , but on a serious note there are a few wise words to be had from Fred, maybe his first post was a bit staright to the point, as we have all been 14 at sometime on here, some more recent than others !!! at that age I was collecting medals and bayonets and digging up old .303 cases, mortor fins etc on an old training ground, but most of the time I was thinking about Christine Tyson, in fact I still think about her....
    I like it when people are straight shooters and get straight to it. Besides, it's only my "internet feelings" he would have hurt. Anyway, why do you all dislike Mausers so much? Is it because they have a waay better action and look better.

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