Enfield No4 in .410 - any details??

[sprog]

Looks to me like it's already been 'bubbad' John. Didn't the Indian .410 conversions have the wooden insert held in place with two cross dowels?

I've just checked out mine Peter. No dowels just a nice piece of wood working & glue. Just noticed a) No Ishy screw b) It appears to be not a
conversion but an original '42 RFI .410 with a moulded metal fitting riveted into the receiver well.

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[Enfield trader]

So it is not a collectable then ? And it is just a wall hanger?

Someone suggested markings mean HMP WS = Her Majesty's Prison Wormwood Scrubs

I found a guy that has one just like this for sale and he has one marked NSW on the receiver and AMC on the stock and is a ROF 43 marked rifle, any idea on that one ??

[Alan de Enfield]

As of Tuesday this was for sale on one of the US auction sites.
It had been sold previously and returned as when the barrel was measured something like only the last couple of inches was 410 calibre, the chamber size was wrong and rest of the barrel measured at somewhere around .318 (if I remember). It was / is being sold 'as is with no return'

The WS allegedly is for "Wormwood Scrubs"

Just as an 'add-on' my local gunshop ( a few weeks ago) had a No4: 410 calbre for sale but didnt notice any particular markings.
It did NOT have the magazine well welded up, so as far as the Police are concerned it should be a Firearm (FAC needed) but it was being sold as a shotgun (SGC needed)

[Alan de Enfield]

Just as an 'add-on' my local gunshop ( a few weeks ago) had a No4: 410 calbre for sale but didnt notice any particular markings.
It did NOT have the magazine well welded up, so as far as the Police are concerned it should be a Firearm (FAC needed) but it was being sold as a shotgun (SGC needed)

This thread inspired me to go-get-it (particularly as John Sukey would rip his back pocket off getting to his cheque book, and for someone of Scottish ancestory thats unlikely I know)
So for £150 ($210 US) I bought it home.

Lateish Savage 93C14xx

No markings to say 410 except UK proof on the Knox

[303 Collector]

About 2 years ago a load of BSA commercial SMLE's came onto the market. In the same shipment were several BSA factory converted .410 Lee Metfords which I acquired. All have full length woodwork and their original 303 magazines. The barrels have been replaced with a proper .410 barrel the same length as the original and are not the military barrel bored out.
I believe these shotguns and rifles were part of a consignment sent to Bahrain in the 1930's. I have often seen No4's and SMLE's in .410 but never Enfield and Metford long rifles converted in this way.
Has anyone seen anything similar or was this a conversion just for this contract?

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Not a .410 but some years ago I aquired a single shot No1Mk3.
Second version, used to arm tribesmen of somewhat doubtful loyalty. While it is a No1Mk3, the Brits had the advantage of the 10 round magazine. The ere is a trough rivited to the reciever and the mag well has a wood block like the .410.
The first version did not have a magazine well. and the trigger guard extended to the forward reciever screw.

[Mk VII]

Prison guards here are never armed, so it certainly didn't originate here.
Doesn't rule out some other Dominion converting them.

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

What about the guards in the tower?

[Peter Laidler]

Yes, but that isn't a prison John........, well, not any more!

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Yes, but that isn't a prison John........, well, not any more!

But the block and Axe is still in the tower!

I meant the guards in modern prisons. Wonder if they will ever fill the position that Albert Pirrepont used to have.

Given some of the scumbags I have read about recently, reinstating that job would certainly cut the murder rate.

He unfairly criticized the American hangmen who faced the nazis the wrong way so the trap hit them in the face on the way down, Personaly I don't think they got it wrong,