any insight on powder shortage?

[Matt Anthony]

Matt:
I'm not attacking your decision to buy how many primers you want or why, but by your own admission you bought 30,000 primers you didn't need. The hoarding by you and others is hurting us- the other members of this board (shooters and reloaders). The logic there is that you (and others) are causing us to pay alot more for primers etc if we can find them. Why then would we be happy for you? Or as Calif-Steve put it, why would we give you a Bronze Star for your conduct?

Are you looking??? Why is it that others find them also! Get on line everyday and check out the sites!
Yes, I don't need them right now, but seeing how the prices are escalating, everyone should buy more than they need to save money in the future. I'll continue to buy, whenever they are available, regardless of what others say.
Remember, you can do what others and myself included have done, when Widener's or powdervalley or any other outlet show they have stock, buy them if you so choose, if you don't want to buy any, then don't! Just don't condemn others for seeing what the future is showing, higher manufacturers costs, shipping increases and profit for the companies that sell products.
I don't understand the bronze star comment, I never asked for that, but I am not going to be left short on components, and there are thousands that feel the same way.
The word came out before the election, almost a year from when Obama was sworn in, for everyone to consider stocking up. Why didn't every one take heed of the warnings? I remember others saying it wasn't going to happen and the ones that were warning others were idiots! Hmmmmmm!

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[Calif-Steve]

AGAIN!! Vote early, vote often.

[tmark]

Like the $4.00 per gallon gasoline prices, when the price was too much for the drivers, they stopped driving so often and the demand for gas was less, so was the price of gas. The OPECKERS got the message and lowered the crude oil prices. The LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND is applicable to any commodity, even small rifle primers! Don't be so demanding (hoarding)! This is not rocket science, people. We, the consumer, can control pricing, if we act strategically.

[Matt Anthony]

Like the $4.00 per gallon gasoline prices, when the price was too much for the drivers, they stopped driving so often and the demand for gas was less, so was the price of gas. The OPECKERS got the message and lowered the crude oil prices. The LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND is applicable to any commodity, even small rifle primers! Don't be so demanding (hoarding)! This is not rocket science, people. We, the consumer, can control pricing, if we act strategically.

You are forgetting that it's 2009 and not 1990 or anyother date. Prices of components to manufacture primers have increased 3 fold. Brass has skyrocketed as has the manufacture costs to produce the primer compound. Wolf raised their prices 25%, not due to demand, but due to their cost to produce the item.
If people are waiting for primers and powder to drop to pre 2009 prices, don't hold your breath, that's not going to happen. And as far as hoarders selling at inflated prices, that's their business. If one needs them and wants to pay $40. to $50. per thousand, then do it, but stop crying in your beer!
As far as the consumer controlling prices, that does happen with many products and fuel to an extent. There still are costs involved with crude! We just saw how the speculators boosted the price to $145.00 per barrel, yes, price fixing, and nothing was done about it! That had nothing to do with demand!
As long as metal is high, bullets will be high, but I doubt any of the bullet companies lower their prices in the future if metal goes down, if anything they will maintain the present price and leave it at that.
Did you check Widener's, Sinclair, PowderValley, Bruno's, Midsouth, Natchez and Champion yet for primers? Oh, if you want to order primers, you can backorder them through Sinclair and Powdervalley. As they receive them, orders will be filled by the date of the back order. First come, first serve basis.

[duggaboy]

I will and do buy when and all I need/want to store and use, and I will continue to do that , regardless of the price. I like to reload and shoot and I will continue to do so: this is my therapy, and it is still cheaper that govt run psycho counseling, isn't it??

[Matt Anthony]

I will and do buy when and all I need/want to store and use, and I will continue to do that , regardless of the price. I like to reload and shoot and I will continue to do so: this is my therapy, and it is still cheaper that govt run psycho counseling, isn't it??

You my friend are a "True American!"

[FTIII]

Thank you colt100. I quit posting in this forum some time back because I got tired of the BS and having to defend myself from Red and others that believe that buying enough is "to much" and therefor hoarding and anyone that does that is evil in some way. It aint worth the grief.

Reloading components "have been" and "are" on the shelf more and more in my area, there is almost nothing that I cant go to one of the sporting goods stores and buy if I want it. Components and guns never went totaly away even at the worst of the rush. I have seen posters here in this forum complaining about "black guns" not being avalable, again I have to say thats a pile of road apples. I can go out today and look at no less than 100 of them on the shelf waiting for buyers and yes the DPMS .308's to, what do you want? it's out there to get if you are willing to part with the money for it. By the way one of the .308 cal. DPMS guns for sale is "new" for less than 1,100 at my local dealer and has been for a month, no takers and I know for a fact that's a good price anytime or anyplace.

colt100 and others like us know this will end someday and when the real hoarders have to let go of their stash at 1/2 price that's when it will be time to buy. Until then the whiners will continue to whine and the rest of us will continue to buy what we need when we have the chance and not feel bad about exercising or rights to do so.

Hang in there colt and the others like us, keep doing what your doing and let the other contine to do what they do, after all.....it's their right to whine.

"Flame away whiners".
BudT

[colt100]

I see this attitude more and more in america and I sure don't like it one bit. People complain when they don't have something blaming others for the problem, when it's their own fault they are in the situation they are in. I'm saying that this is a general theme in america but it does apply to some of the people who are complaining on this board.

There was an e-mail going around about a year ago that summed up what I'm talking about. I didn't save it but it was basically about 2 squirrels who were storing nuts for the winter. The first squirrel stored the nuts and told the other to do so when the nuts were everywhere. The second kept saying that he had plenty of time and sat back and relaxed. Soon winter came and the 2nd squarrel ran out of nuts 1/2 way through the winter.

The 2nd squarrel then went and complained to the government. The woodland news showed the 2nd squarrel starving in the cold and the 1st squarrel sitting in his home eating nuts. Public outrage followed and the gov came in and took 1/2 of the 1st squarrel's nuts to give to the poor starving 2nd squarrel.

The e-mail continued and this was supposed to be a spin on the welfare system but I can see similarites to the reloading hobbyists as well.

I sometimes don't have the money to stock up on components myself in the quanties that I would like but I sure don't whine when others do so. I buy what I can when I can and If I don't have enough ammo for a gun, I shoot another until I can reload or procure more ammo. Or I just don't go shooting or shoot a lot less then I normally would.

I also get frustrated with this and the old board. Same thing goes with AR15 and some of the other boards. I have what I need in the end because I planned ahead. If someone else didn't, it's their own fault.

I am just getting into the 6.8 spc game and have to start from scratch with brass/bullets/ammo and the components were quite cheaper a year ago, sometime 1/2 price what they are now. You don't see me out there whining about it. I look for deals and buy when the price is right. I pass on "deals" all the time because people want too much money. I'll eventually aquire what I need and get a nice stockpile of ammo/components stocked up for the next zombie attacks, if they come.

[USSR]

I see this attitude more and more in america and I sure don't like it one bit. People complain when they don't have something blaming others for the problem, when it's their own fault they are in the situation they are in.

Regarding the cries of "Hoarding". It's a sign that liberals are joining the ranks of gun owners.

Don

[hockeybuff]

I guess I'm one of the whiners so I'll respond to the latest posts here. My issue here isn't about redistribution of wealth (as the squirrel story hints at) or liberals in the gun culture ( which if you go to the political forum I think they would say started around 1968). This has nothing to do with that. My issue isn't with what/how much or what price Matt payed for his primers he didn't need. I agree with Colt100's assessment of supply and demand. I think that I will soon be able to get the primers and powder that I want as cheap, if not cheaper than before.
My only issue here has been with Matt's original post of buying 30,000 primers he didn't need. He, and others, contributed to a panic buying (or to use Matt's word-speculation) that forced up prices and ended availablity. He can do that if he wants and I don't have to pay increased prices. But I don't have to be happy for him or accept his "Well I got mine and #$% the rest of you." That's all- I thought it was "odd" that he would boast about that to the very people hurt by the hoarding.