Strange Enforcer

[Peter Laidler]

Just reading this thread alone it would seem that there will never be the definitive book about Enforcers. How could there ever be?

I also have the most severe doubts that there was ever a shortage of Enforcer rifles. It's like saying that there was a shortage of No4 rifles! They were a Government contract via the Home Office to a specification and if the Government tell another Government factory to make XYZ, then they do! At the time Enfield were actively looking for commercial work and would sell barrels. Indeed, they were already selling the private venture Envoys commercially to anyone via a registered dealer!

As for the notion that Police Armourers could convert another rifle such as an Envoy to an Enforcer and THEN mill out the old markings and THEN re-engrave it and THEN............... I could go on. And where in heavens name would he get the a) wherewithall, b) accurate measuring facilities in order to achieve the accurate fitting of the mounts etc etc. Once again....., I could go on

We know that some - and I leave it at that - have actually drilled into the barrels to screw down the front scope mount. Not just drill into the barrel, but drill so far that the chamber has bulged!

Nope, I'm not sure that there will ever be a definitive book Al. A discussion papre maybe but............. And remember this Alan. When you write a book, the FIRST person to read it immediately knows more than you. That's because he already knows the tiny bit he knew before PLUS all, every last bit, of what you have just researched and written.

[Alan de Enfield]

What a nuisance !!!! just spent ages writing out a reply and whoooosh its gone .

So brief version :

At this rate I won't need to write a book - it'll all be here already.

518 shipped to UK Police Forces
99 Exported (Hong Kong etc)
16 'others' (destroyed during manufacture etc)

Total 633

Leaving 134 - actions were built and numbered but never assembled.

Interestingly Enfield shipped 8 Enforcers to Sussex Police. When I made an FOI (Fredom Of Information) request they said they never had Enforcers. They did however (they said) buy some Envoys from a local Dealer.

[Peter Laidler]

Bought from a local dealer eh! Mmmmmm......... The Q I'd ask is that if they could have the Govt/HO APPROVED rifle supplied, free/gratis/fer nichts then why on earth would they go an buy an 'inferior' untried and tested, certainly for Police use rifle from outside? And we all know/remember the xxxt hitting the fan when an untried and untested and unapproved weapon was used during the Moat episode. Call me an old cynic and all that but a pragmatic and realistic cynic none the less. Just my take on things.

Being at the Infantry HQ taught me some thinmgs about FoI. One thing was that while all the requests could come IN, not all the info was actually available. In years gone by, it only had to be retained for 3 years or so but was retained for 5. How do you answer anything older?

We had a request for info about someones small-arms related injury and subsequent operation at a BMH (British Mil Hospital) in Nairobi, Kenya in 1956! At least now, the info is computerised and stays virtually forever!

[Gil Boyd]

Meant to mention that to Doug, the same thing happened to me the other day too, maybe, its because the page is dormant for a while, as you type.....no idea.

The second time around you haven't got the same interest or inclination ha ha!

Alan,
Your story is worth putting on the site, as ALL snippets and pieces of the jigsaw will bring the picture together eventually as I did on the M85 information. Best out in the open before people store it and forget to offer it up, and depart this earth. At least then it will be appreciated, by Enforcer owners. You have unearthed some interesting points which some on here may have the answers to.
I do get twitchy when I hear of literally "loose cannons" or weapons are put together or could be, put together by unqualified people, especially when it involves barrels of 7.62 calibre as Peter alluded to earlier in the thread.
At 19T Tonnes its one hell of a second chance you'll need if something goes wrong when the triggers pulled.

Apologies, if I appear to be scare mongering, that was not my intention, it was merely one of caution and making sure one knew where a rifle had changed its lifestyle "unofficially" and that at the very least it had received paperwork to cover it from an approved test house .
IMHO

[Badger]

What a nuisance !!!! just spent ages writing out a reply and whoooosh its gone .

Meant to mention that to Doug, the same thing happened to me the other day too, maybe, its because the page is dormant for a while, as you type.....no idea.

The second time around you haven't got the same interest or inclination ha ha!

Hi guys ..

Site default time-out is set to 30 minutes. If the browser you're using to type messages doesn't send "keep alive" packets within that time frame, the session is timed out and the user session is "dropped" from the site.

The only other way someone can lose a post during creation is if they accidentally hit the browser page forward or backward key, and when they try to return to the current page they're creating the message on, it's now a blank page!

It's highly recommended that if you're going to type a long message, then do so with your text editor, or mail program, then when you're finished, cut-n-paste the entire content into your newly created post (or reply).

I'm too lazy to remember to do that, so I tend to highlight the text I'm typing with my mouse, at various points as I go along creating my post. Once highlighted, I right click and select "copy", really not intending to copy it, but what that does is create a back-up copy of whatever you've highlighted and puts it into your computer's clipboard for safekeeping. So, if for any reason, I lose the text I've been typing, all I have to do is hit "paste" and it gets put back into any application, including here.

Regards,
Doug

[Gil Boyd]

Aha thanks Doug it was probably that dratted cuppa calling at the crucial time that sealed it for me

[Cold_Zero]

Will post about 706 as a new Thread.

I have it.

[Gil Boyd]

Interesting copy of what, crikey it must have risen from the ashes? Lee Enfield Enforcer 7.62 mm Rifles For Sale in Greater Manchester :: GunStar

[Alan de Enfield]

Bit of 'misrepresentation' ? and not quite sure what this means "This enforcer is a good copy but appears all original"

Well - of course, any No4 based rifle in 7.62 calibre, with 'sporterised' furniture and AJP 'target' sights has got to be an Enforcer

[Gil Boyd]

Alan,
Probably as "proper" as the 134 that never got assembled by Enfield either hate to think what bits are cobbled to those actions now