No. 4 Rifle; Zeroing Instructions Data Inconsistency?

[Rick]

Well Rick, you're plainly vastly more qualified in this field than I, so we'll have to rely on you to solve the mystery, if there is one!

Plainly, nobody needs to be qualified as a mathematician nor a career in external ballistics to realize that it is quite impossible to have the same bullet, leaving the same rifle with the same sights and sight radius, at the same muzzle velocity, take two completely different paths with 2.5 MOA of variation, from the same point of firing to the same point of impact at the same range.

And only in Canada's rarified range air (and only after 1945), eh!

We can, of course, hopefully think we can dream up some sort of excuse for how that somehow or other is how external ballistics works - again, only in Canada, and only after 1945.

Would like to see any pams for the rifle post 1945 and up to the 1980's version of Shoot To Live. I scoured the online pam library available over the DWAN while instructing at CFB Gag-Town, The Center Of Pestilence. Nothing discoverable going that route.

I suppose a FOIA directed at DND might uncover what the DWAN did not make available to the serving military. I'd like to see any of them, zeroing information or not.

[Rick]

Rick - there is a lot of 'good stuff' on 303 accuracy and sighting in this book 13Mb and 100+ pages (do you have it ?)

I had the paper copy of one of the last versions as well as a .pdf version. I leant the paper copy out and it's gone, and if I still have the .pdf version, it's lost in my maze of .pdf files.

I don't remember Mr. Sweet spending much time on military zeroing (particularly Canadian specifications while living in Australia) as opposed to the civilian marksmanship world where he did so well. As far as the grouping ability of the Lee Enfields, he is/was a bucket of ice water in the face of those who believe they can just take a Lee Enfield and turn it into a 1 - 1 1/2 MOA grouping rifle compliant with Service Rifle rules with some bedding and reloading techniques.

[Alan de Enfield]

(How could anyone NOT have a proper bayonet for their No. 4 rifle? How else could you zero!)

Reading thru the "Techincal Training School REME" Document "Zeroing of Rifles" I note that the use of the bayonet for zeroing is limited the the No4 rifle with the Mk2 rear sight.

No mention of bayonet use for the other Mks of rear sight.

[Alan de Enfield]

I had the paper copy of one of the last versions as well as a .pdf version. I leant the paper copy out and it's gone, and if I still have the .pdf version, it's lost in my maze of .pdf files.

I don't remember Mr. Sweet spending much time on military zeroing (particularly Canadian specifications while living in Australia) as opposed to the civilian marksmanship world where he did so well. As far as the grouping ability of the Lee Enfields, he is/was a bucket of ice water in the face of those who believe they can just take a Lee Enfield and turn it into a 1 - 1 1/2 MOA grouping rifle compliant with Service Rifle rules with some bedding and reloading techniques.

Let see if this works ......................


The forum says "no"

I'll email it to you.