1905 bayonet and scabbard

[adjuster]

Hello everyone. New to the site and excited that I found the forum. I trying to find out about a Bayonet and scabbard that I purchased. The bayo is a 1905 made by OL in 1943 and has a 16 inch blade and appears to be in very good cond. I found a lot on line about the bayo but could not find much regarding the scabbard. The scabbard is marked USN MK 1 and is white. I'm not sure if the bayo and the scabbard was issued togather or met someware latter. I would also like to know what the value is on both. Thanks

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[LimeyCarbineLover]

Hey Adjuster and welcome to the forum....one thing i can tell you is that the scabbard and the bayonet did NOT originate together...the bayonet is a standard "long" bayonet made by Onieda Ltd......but the USN Mk1 scabbard was primarily designed to accompany the USN black "plastic" training bayonet.....white COULD indicate SP useage but more likely post war parade useage....
The bayonets now are going high...perhaps $200 upwards......but it needs a correct scabbard to increase the value more.

Hope this helps

Lloyd

[Harlan (Deceased)]

Welcome to milsurps.com and the new 'Gear' forum, Adjuster! I hope you enjoy it here.
Can you take some photos? I'd like to see your bayonet, and any other gear and I'm sure others would too.
~ Harlan

Lloyd,
I’m not doubting what your saying, as you know about this stuff than I do. I had read that The Navy placed an order with Beckwith for the same M3 type scabbard they were making for the Army and Beckwith made them the exact same except they marked MK1 on the scabbard per the Navy order instead of ‘US” and the flaming bomb. I didn’t know they were for practice bayonets.

I also read that the Marines used the MK1 scabbard in addition to the earlier canvas covered scabbards of WWI design because they held up better.



I need to read up on this stuff some more. (It’s confusing, but fun to learn)

I’m still trying to put together some sets from the gear I had in boxes and thought I’d use the 1942 marked bayo in the MK1 scabbard it was in when I bought it and put it with the Marine stuff. I’m kind of running out of room, but I thought it might look better to put sets together than have it all piled up or in boxes.
(But everything needs to 'match' don’t you know)

[LimeyCarbineLover]

What an AWSOME picture...... look at the detail and gear in that shot....BAR spares leather box and oiler......a what looks like USMC TAC mark on the bayonet scabbard and what looks like a WW1 BAR...(long foregrip possibly checkered)...spmetimes non "combat" photos are better than action ones for details.

Yep Harlan....agree on the B M Co long scabbards but they were all marked with the US (army) flaming bomb rather than the US Navy MK1....this wasnt a reference to the scabbard but the "plastic" bayonet and scabbard combined.

NOW i am not saying that some enterprising marines didnt end up with an M3 USN MK1 scabbard after his M1910 scabbard fell apart as i am prone to saying never say never....as a singular photo can often prove you wrong....

Interesting discussion..i think

Regards

Lloyd

[browningautorifle]

I was never under the impression the USN marked scabbard was for the laminated training bayonet, but there was a canvas scabbard that was produced for this. It was just a belt loop with a continuation that carried the bayonet. One solid canvas case. I haven't seen a lot of these but I've seen probably as many as the laminated practice blades. The scabbard marking on the other hand is the same as the fighting knife scabbard marking.

[Harlan (Deceased)]

All I knew about it was Beckworth made this one (from the markings on it) in a large run of about 300,000 scabbards and they were identical to the Army M3 scabbard used for the 1942 bayonet (New version of the old 1905 16" bayonet)
The Navy wanted the throat stamped 'MK1' and Beckworth made them between December 1942 and the summer of 1943, just as soon as they completed the Army order during the time everyone was still gearing up for the war the US had just found itself in. It didn't seem at that point in time with so much going on to actually fight they'd be producing 300,000 practice bayonets, but anything is possible.

I identified the maker by using this web site (below), but it didn't tell any specifics or mention training bayonets only.

Bayo Points 6



I saw the photos of Marines using this type of scabbard in a book about Marine gear, but those type of books are not always completely accurate.
I didn't buy the bayonet thinking Navy or Marine - It was just in good condition and most I'd seen either had a beat up bayonet and/or scabbard. I don't have any books about bayonets. I only have four Garand type bayonets and don't know much about them other than knowing the basic nomenclature for the different incarnations.

[adjuster]

Thanks for all your infomation. I will post pics of the Bayo and Scabbard as soon as I can.