Old CSP Site Reopens

[landtrain]

Am having difficulties opening the CSP Forums. All I get is "the CSP forums are now closed. Old site reopens (click here)" What am I doing wrong? Should I go back to the early 2009 forum??? It would make life a lot easier going back, but Military Surplus Collectors Forums deserve lots of Kudos, for steping in and taking over the way they did. Thanks much folks.

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[Badger]

Hi

You're welcome and thanks for the positive feedback. We did the best we could, although it seems that we still couldn't please everyone, judging by some of the ugly posts that are now appearing about us. What we find surprising, is that seems to be going on with the full support of the Culvers and Pat, which my wife and I find hurtful, considering what we've done publicly and privately for them, most of which nobody will ever know about publicly.

I guess the old adage applies, no good deed goes unpunished.

Anyway, the facts speak for themselves and for every individual who wishes to post a hateful comment to create a revisionist view of history, or marginalize what we, supported by so many of your CSP membership brethren accomplished on behalf of the CSP community, there's always a lot more folks like yourself who may say little, but the content of what they say speaks volumes about the truth. Thanks again, it does take courage to speak up and perhaps face the wrath of some who like to dominate these type of Internet boards to make it all about them, rather than the good of the whole ...

The new site is working fine, so I'm not exactly sure why you're having difficulties.

It may be a DNS problem which is the directory that needs to get updated across the Internet when new sites come on-line or a site changes its IP address.

Give it a day or so and keep trying. You may find it all of a sudden finds the site, depending upon your ISP's DNS servers and where you're located.

If you still have a problem, send me your phone number via email and I'll call you at a convenient time to see if I can help you wish some diagnostics and walk you through the problem.

Regards,
Badger

[Ramboueille]

Hi

You're welcome and thanks for the positive feedback. We did the best we could, although it seems that we still couldn't please everyone, judging by some of the ugly posts that are now appearing about us. What we find surprising, is that seems to be going on with the full support of the Culvers and Pat, which my wife and I find hurtful, considering what we've done publicly and privately for them, most of which nobody will ever know about publicly.

I guess the old adage applies, no good deed goes unpunished.

Anyway, the facts speak for themselves and for every individual who wishes to post a hateful comment to create a revisionist view of history, or marginalize what we, supported by so many of your CSP membership brethren accomplished on behalf of the CSP community, there's always a lot more folks like yourself who may say little, but the content of what they say speaks volumes about the truth. Thanks again, it does take courage to speak up and perhaps face the wrath of some who like to dominate these type of Internet boards to make it all about them, rather than the good of the whole ...

The new site is working fine, so I'm not exactly sure why you're having difficulties.

It may be a DNS problem which is the directory that needs to get updated across the Internet when new sites come on-line or a site changes its IP address.

Give it a day or so and keep trying. You may find it all of a sudden finds the site, depending upon your ISP's DNS servers and where you're located.

If you still have a problem, send me your phone number via email and I'll call you at a convenient time to see if I can help you wish some diagnostics and walk you through the problem.

Regards,
Badger

1. Milsurps builds a temporary haven and bridge to salvage Jouster CSP from their own incompetence.

2. Milsurps establishes a charity donation to do the same.

3. Milsurps donates considerable time and expense attempting to extradite Jouster CSP from the abyss.

4. Milsurps is summarily thrown off the bridge by Jouster CSP.

5. Milsurps continues to demonstrate their integity while providing a "Help Desk" for CSP.

Did I miss anything?

[oscars]

Badger:

I do love your site and the calm, respectful way that you are managing it. I share your amazement at the actions of the Culvers, but I am not too surprised. I must admit that, although I will never register or post on Culver's site, I find myself drawn to it (kind of like watching a train wreck).

[dryheat]

I have been a member of Jouster?CSP(now I'm not sure which is which)for ten years. But, if the same people that have been sending me very distastefull e-mail pertaining to political positions are associated (and I know they are) I won't be visiting either. I haven't been able to get my spam blocker to stop it yet either. I will say, said poster sent me a very confusing letter purported to be from Gloria. I don't know all of the story(and don't want to know)but I don't get it.

[45 Caliber]

I would like to thank Badger, his wife, Bill Hollinger, Rick the Librarian, Amatikulu, Bob Womack and cafdfw for their
hard work in developing and managing the CSP Milsurps.com site. It is obvious that a tremendous amount of work and coordination as well as money was necessary and provided by Badger and his crew to bring the CSP community through the rough period while Jouster.com was down. Badger and his crew deserve not only our thanks but our admiration and respect for a job well done!



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[phil441]

I guess I don't surf enough, but this whole thing caught me by surprise about 10 min ago. I go to CMP and here just about every night and this is the first I've heard about any of this stuff. I was a long time member of the Culver's forum and was thankful that it was basically saved from oblivion by milsurps.

What was going on while I was blissfully going through this forum every night????

Guess I'm dense, but I'm confused.

Phil

[John L. Lucci]

Am having difficulties opening the CSP Forums. All I get is "the CSP forums are now closed. Old site reopens (click here)" What am I doing wrong? Should I go back to the early 2009 forum??? It would make life a lot easier going back, but Military Surplus Collectors Forums deserve lots of Kudos, for steping in and taking over the way they did. Thanks much folks.

At the risk of being flamed and or locked out on this site, I can understand why the Culver's would try to re-open the old site. This site on milsurps started as a life boat; however the new captain(s) restricted and then removed all political discussion. Part of the charm of the old site was it was like an old country store or saloon where learned men (and women) could come in and discuss both guns and the issues of the day. Sure things could get a little heated, but at the end of the thread all were still friends and if on different sides of an issue, agree to disagree.

Although it's pure speculation on my part, it's my theory that the changes here did not sit well with the Culvers consequently they are trying to get off the train.

[Bill Hollinger]

John and others, if I may? The reason the 2nd/political board was removed was because all the complaints that were lodged about it from the general membership and the fact that it was getting so nasty that it was impossible to keep going. There were only a handful or two of people posting on it anyway. After months of should we or shouldn't we, the admin and moderators chose to dump it.

Whether anyone got upset about it or not is irrelevant. The fact was there was no word from anyone from the old site to give us direction. Numerous phone calls were made, numerous PMs were sent and nothing. We needed direction and a path in which to take the forums and we did just that, albeit, on our own. It did not sit well with a few folks. For that I am sorry but one can not please everybody. We did what we felt was right.

It is important that all of us here at Milsurp be as helpful as we possibly can to help our hobby. It serves no purpose not to help. This is not a competition between one site or another. Each has good and bad, that is all there is to it. I will always look back at what I have done here proudly as all the rest of the Milsurp staff should do. They busted their tail ends for like minded enthusiast. For that I am not sorry a bit. I, as well as all the other Milsurp staff, wish all the best to the new CSP site and to Dick and Gloria Culver. Also, a huge thank you to Dick and Gloria for all their hard work throughout the years. They are truly an asset to the gun collecting community.

That red tag below my name "Culver Fund Donator" means something to me as I'm sure it does to every other member who shares it.

[phil441]

Personally, as long as milsurps welcomes me, I'm staying here.
Here I can get good info without sifting through a bunch of flame wars and ego collisions.

I like it here.
Phil