1903 observation and human nature

[Chuckindenver]

just an observation... after reading a few posts on low number 1903,s and cast made 1903A3,s
so...they did lots of testing, and documenting of low number 1903,s when in fact non failed out of the blue...
the issue was how the heat treatment handled a failure... bore obstruction, case head failure, wrong cal. ammo.. ect..so they were deemed unsafe to fire.
matter fact, the military kept them in service throughtout WW2 and Korea, up till the 1960,s
smart move.. with the idea that most humans are carless...mmk.
though i dont recomend anyone ever firing a low number SHT 1903...i shoot mine.
now...since it make them feel good.
some non gunsmith shooters... thinks its ok to fire a National ord, or Santa fe. 1903A3.. thats had documented failures in all serial number ranges,...just out of the blue...
with the additude,...iv been shooting mine for a while, and its fine...even with more then a few pictured on the net that have failed with factory ammo..and had no sign of headspace or other issue..
so that fact that humans are carless comes to play again...or what am i missing??
ill shoot my low number 1903,s but would never ever shoot a Nat ord, or Santa Fe..
just a thought...if these were military issue weapons..all would have been destroyed.

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[browningautorifle]

I had a low number 1903 too Chuck, I shot it for years and had no problems. People believe what they want and I've given up trying to influence thought. It's like herding cats. They just don't get what it is you're trying to do...

[Chuckindenver]

herding cats...now that made me laugh...kinda like arguing with a redhead....it doesnt work.

[gsimmons]

I got the point from Chuck the first time I saw the discussion in 2010? I will NEVER, EVER shoot my Nat. Ord.1903A3. Some day I'll get a Rem. receiver for it.

[browningautorifle]

Those pics of shattered receivers are enough to drive you to drink...

[Aragorn243]

Chuck,

I think some of it is economics. No one likes to be informed that the rifle they paid hundreds of dollars for is essentially worthless. Most guys look at guns as a type of investment where their money is at least going to be maintained. So they will work hard to justify why their rifle has value. If it's safe, they can sell it to someone else without worrying about something happening to them down the road. With these rifles, I have to think of the typical gun owner I know and I know a LOT. Few shoot often, most only shoot just prior to and during the rifled deer seasons and the average is less than 5 rounds per year. The majority of these cast 03a3's are probably owned by people like that and they haven't failed simply because they are rarely shot.

I have a 99 Savage that I've been carrying in the deer woods for about 36 years. The bluing is gone from the receiver but if I've fired 200 rounds through it in all those years, I'd be really surprised.

You have to wonder how many of these fellows insisting their rifles are safe drive around on tires their service guy said needed replaced.

[Chuckindenver]

maybe its like if you read something even if its false enough times, it becomes true..
our government does this all the time..
a good example.
i used to enjoy a cold beer with my buddies now and then, but as i got older id get a migrane headache after about the second beer, tried different flavors, bud, coors, ect.
some were worse then others but the end results were the same..
so, i go to a doctor buddy...i work on his guns..he works on my body...good trade off.
he hooks me up with an expert, they do a few tests, take some family history... they have me come in...and his exact words...
next time you drink a beer,,enjoy it,,,it might very well be your last, or...you may drink like this for years, and then boom...your done...or not at all.
as i got older i developed a reaction to Beer, it runs in my familiy, my Uncle slid into a comma many years ago, same deal..
so...havnt drank a beer since... even better, havent had a migraine since... and i was pluaged with them for years,..
i firgured that the guy knew a lot more about it then me...i works with this stuff everyday...
on the other hand...
my late wifes mother, has COPD, and has had a 1/4 of a lung removed...was told many years ago to stop smoking, and that she has cancer...her responce is...he exact words to me..I DONT HAVE F&KN CANCER,!, just a light cough,...those doctors dont know a thing, they just want to open you up, and take your money...
from someone who doesnt pay a dime in medical...
thats just human nature...

[tomwatts]

I don't usually join in forum posts on the controversial subjects, since they are controversial, 99% of people have already made up their mind on said subject.

Pretty much like talking about politics, religion or capital punishment, it’s a waste of time and somebody gets their feelings hurt!

If you weren’t trying to save people from getting hurt, it would be funny!

Best Regards Tom

[Chuckindenver]

never argue with someone dumber then you...
its like rassling with a pig in the mud. after while,..your just muddy, and the pig starts to enjoy it.

[LeagleEagle]

Switch to Scotch Chuck, Johnny Walker Red is my brand!