+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: What rifle is this 1913 Warner & Swasey mount for?

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Administrator

    Site Owner
    Badger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Age
    75
    Posts
    12,941
    Real Name
    Doug
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    03:59 PM
    My Videos in Video Club
    12

    Question What rifle is this 1913 Warner & Swasey mount for?

    I need some help identifying what rifle this mount would be for....

    It came with a grouping consisting of Model 1913 Warner & Swasey Telescopic Musket Sights c/w M1913 Pattern Leather Carrying Case with adjusting tool in the pocket compartment.

    The seller (5 years ago) said it had been neatly packed away in a family's attic since the 1940's and belonged to her grandfather.

    I have W&S mounts for the 1903 rifle, but this doesn't look the same. I also have an original 1915 M10 Ross MkIII* Sniper Rifle but the mount on it isn't the same as this.

    I added some pics of the mount and also the adjusting tool below..

    Anyone hazard a guess as to what rifle this mount may be for?

    Thanks for any feedback ...

    Regards,
    Doug
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Age
    2010
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Legacy Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 10:51 AM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,314
    Real Name
    Robert Seccombe
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    02:59 PM
    The only other weapon that comes to mind is the US Machine Rifle, Cal 30 Model 1909 Benet-Mercie. I believe they all had the bracket to mount the Warner & Swasey scope ?
    only a guess, If you can locate photos of this M1909 showing the left side, it might help

  4. Thank You to RCS For This Useful Post:


  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #3
    Advisory Panel

    jmoore's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    06-09-2023 @ 04:20 AM
    Location
    US of A
    Posts
    7,066
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    03:59 PM
    Is the curvature on the receiver side the same ae the '03 mount? How about the hole spacing?

  7. #4
    Contributing Member Promo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    1,842
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:59 PM
    It's one of the reproduction mounts for the M1903 Springfield. I have one of these aswell, they are also pictured on page 499 of Brophy's "The Springfield M1903 Rifle".

  8. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to Promo For This Useful Post:


  9. #5
    Administrator

    Site Owner
    Badger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Age
    75
    Posts
    12,941
    Real Name
    Doug
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    03:59 PM
    Thread Starter
    My Videos in Video Club
    12
    Quote Originally Posted by jmoore View Post
    Is the curvature on the receiver side the same ae the '03 mount? How about the hole spacing?
    I haven't actually tried that yet, but it's a good idea ..

    ... and if promo is correct, then it should fit fine...

    It does look really old and weathered, not having the external appearance of a repro, but that could just be the result of original bare metal simply aging ..

    Regards,
    Doug

  10. #6
    Advisory Panel Surpmil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last On
    @
    Location
    West side
    Posts
    4,651
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:59 PM
    At first glance one might think this was made for the P14, but there is an identical base and US Warner & Swasey scope case on ePay at the moment in Italyicon, and besides, this base would not fit far enough forward on the P14.

    The Benet-Mercie must be the correct answer; the gun they chose over the Lewis!
    “There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”

    Edward Bernays, 1928

    Much changes, much remains the same.

  11. Thank You to Surpmil For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    Contributing Member Promo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last On
    @
    Location
    Europe
    Posts
    1,842
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:59 PM
    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.

    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:


    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:

  13. The Following 2 Members Say Thank You to Promo For This Useful Post:


  14. #8
    Advisory Panel Surpmil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Last On
    @
    Location
    West side
    Posts
    4,651
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.

    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12/TUnto-1.jpg

    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/1909_3-1.jpg
    Oh sorry Georg, I didn't see your post. The curvature on the back side looks rather extreme for any rifle I can think of. It looks more like the curvature of a barrel than a receiver wall, but perhaps that is just the photo.

    ---------- Post added at 10:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:22 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    No, it is NOT for the Benet-Mercie MG. As I already said, take a look into Brophy's book, you'll find exactly the same W&S scope rail pictured. I know it, as I have one of these myself.

    The Benet-Mercie used the same style of the rail as did the M1903, it just had seperate "feet". See this original drawing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12/TUnto-1.jpg

    Furthermore, for what I know the Benet-Mercie was flat in the area where the scope had originally been mounted. This picture would suggest the same thing:
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/1909_3-1.jpg
    Oh sorry, I didn't see your post. The curvature on the back side looks rather extreme for any rifle I can think of. It looks more like the curvature of a barrel than an a receiver wall.
    “There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”

    Edward Bernays, 1928

    Much changes, much remains the same.

+ Reply to Thread

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks