1. It appears that you are you're enjoying our Military Surplus Collectors Forums, but haven't created an account yet. As an unregistered guest, your are unable to post and are limited to the amount of viewing time you will receive, so why not take a minute to Register for your own free account now? As a member you get free access to our forums and knowledge libraries, plus the ability to post your own messages and communicate directly with other members. So, if you'd like to join our community, please CLICK HERE to Register !

    Already a member? Login at the top right corner of this page to stop seeing this message.

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 4 of 4
Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    ChrisATX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Last On
    07-05-2014 @ 09:25 PM
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    38
    Local Date
    04-25-2025
    Local Time
    03:17 PM

    Please critique and help me complete the life story of my rifle.

    MANY thanks to John Beardicon for the wealth of information he has already provided. I am in his debt. Any omissions, mistakes, etc. are mine and mine alone.

    I know it's probably naive to try to piece together the story of a mixmaster, but I want to document what I can and preserve the information. The most important part of this rifle to me is its history and personal story, so I'm trying get every part of it that I possibly can. I'm especially interested in the meanings/origin of the stock markings, and when/where this serial number may have served, if such a thing is remotely possible. Photos of the rifle are here:

    Finally got my hands on a piece of family legacy and American history...

    Here is what I have compiled so far:

    This is a service rifle. It was born in early 1919 with receiver serial number 382,759 at the Rock Island Arsenal, on the Mississippi River, between Iowa and Illinois.

    This serial number indicates the receiver was made in 1919, shortly after World War I had ended, and after the first Rock Island Arsenal “late number” receiver; correctly and consistently heat-treated to withstand chamber pressures from the .30-06 Springfield cartridge (serial number 285,507).

    The rifle contains a multitude of World War II replacement parts, including the barrel, sights, bolt, bolt sleeve, and several others. This is a strong indication of World War II service. The rifle could have possibly been in any one of the Pacific, North African, or European Theatres of the War.

    After service use in World War II, the rifle was overhauled by a United Statesicon military armorer: it was re-barreled, refinished, and re-assembled from mixed, working service parts. A Hatcher Hole was added at some point during the service career of the rifle. The rifle was subsequently placed in United States Ordnance Stores.

    The rifle left Ordnance Stores, bound for Greece, sometime between 1947 and 1949 at the behest of President Harry S. Truman. At this point, the rifle may have been used against communist insurgents in the Greek Civil War. The rifle remained in Greek Ordnance Stores until being returned to the United States, and to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMPicon) therein, in late 2001. Shortly afterwards, the rifle was sold.

    The presence of a Hatcher Hole on a so-called “high number” receiver, while not definitive, is sometimes anecdotal evidence that the receiver was at one point a part of a 1903 service rifle issued by the United States Marine Corps. However, in the case of the history of this specific rifle, due to postwar Greek service, it is not necessarily indicative of United States Marine Corps issuance.

    As the rifle lies:

    The stock is an S-type Mark I with finger grooves, made at Springfield Armory ca. 1919. The stock is stamped on the underside with the numbers 77 and 3 2, just forward of the magazine floorplate. These are possibly the last four serial number digits of the receiver to which the stock originally belonged. The magazine cutoff recess is stamped with a “J” . The acceptance stamp is on the left side just behind the receiver cutout and reads “D.A.L.”: a Springfield Armory inspector mark. The left side contains the Mark I cutout to accommodate the ejection port of a Pederson Device-configured receiver. Markings behind the trigger guard consist of two non-serif font “P” proof stamps, both encircled. In between these two proof marks is an “E”, also without serifs. Moving further back on the stock, there is what appears to be a “U”, then two marks of the numeral “8” are further back still, along with what is either an “X” or crossed cannons. The initials “T.K.T.” are hand-carved crudely into the left side of the buttstock, perhaps by an American or Greek soldier. The bottom of the magazine floorplate is stamped with a “B”, as is typical for M1903 rifles provided for Greek service.

    High Standard Manufacturing Company produced the rifle barrel, stamped with the Springfield Armory “flaming bomb”, in September of 1944, for use in the World War II overhaul. The rifle handguard was manufactured by the Booher Woodworking Company of Camden, NY, ca. 1944, as a replacement for use in overhaul. This handguard may have been installed either with the barrel, or at the CMP in 2001 or after, during inspection and repair.

    The rear sight is a ladder-style, lacking a Volley fire notch at the top. It was manufactured by the Perry Pointe Company ca. 1944 as a replacement. The buttplate is pattern stamped and dates to World War II, manufactured by Remington Arms.

    The bolt handle is electropenciled with a 4-digit number that does match the receiver serial number, almost certainly added during Greek loan. The underside of the bolt handle is stamped “R”, indicating manufacture by Remington Arms and giving the bolt a 1903A3 provenance. The bolt was therefore produced in September 1941 or later, during World War II. The cocking piece is also a 1903A3 configuration, and again manufactured by Remington Arms. The safety is also stamped “R”, and of Remington Arms origins. The right side of the bolt sleeve is stamped with a “3”, followed by what appears to be an “L” in lowercase cursive script. The bolt sleeve and magazine cutoff are of Springfield Armory origin.
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. #2
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Metacomet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Last On
    10-31-2015 @ 01:19 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    12
    Local Date
    04-25-2025
    Local Time
    04:17 PM
    I do an informational like this for every surplus rifle I own and I find it to be a lot of fun and an extremely interesting exercise. I don't own a 1903 Springfield, so I can't help you with the history aspect, but I enjoyed reading it and hope someone in the know will chime in. Sounds like your rifle found a great home!

  3. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  4. #3
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 02:20 PM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    30,996
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    04-25-2025
    Local Time
    01:17 PM
    I'd say you petty well have the story nailed there. It's a mixmaster and it's done service continuously since manufacture...
    Regards, Jim

  5. #4
    Legacy Member Calif-Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Today @ 01:31 PM
    Posts
    2,517
    Local Date
    04-25-2025
    Local Time
    03:17 PM
    The Hatcher Hole does not mean USMC use. The Marines had piles of Low Number rifles and they did drill the Hatcher hole. But High Numbers with the hole may well mean Springfield did the job. Very few '03 went off to combat in WWII. Many headed into Basic Training posts. So your rifle may well have served at Camp this or Fort that. No way of knowing. But re-barreled because the original barrel was worn out, so it was certainly used by used troops. A nice find by you, good luck with it.

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Critique my Winchester
    By str8liner in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-16-2013, 11:37 AM
  2. Service rifle brass life
    By Curt in forum Ammunition and Reloading for Old Milsurps
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 04-19-2010, 01:05 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts