No4 MkI T

[IanS]

Hi,

my dad was a sergeant sniper in WWII and would like me to buy a No4 MkI T that I mentioned to him I had seen recently. It's a Savage, I think it's a 1942 build(I only have some pictures).
It's in the 17C series and is now a MkI/3 (F) FTR /53. It has the storage chest, scope and telescope. I would like to make him happy, but I think it's going to cost a lot. Where can I find enough examples to form a reasonable opinion on value?
Many thanks,
Ian.

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[Badger]

I’d be very careful before you commit to buying this piece, without a lot more feedback from the many experts here.

It’s also going to be pretty challenging for anyone to help you without any pics being posted.

If you don’t know how to post pics, then send them to me at badger@milsurps.com and I’ll re-size and post them for you in this thread to help you out.

Also, you might want to consider taking advantage of the Advisory Panel Review Validation Service (click here)

I’m a K98k collector, but I quick observation to me would be about the serial number. I was under the impression that the serial number 17C of the piece you’re looking at is out of the accepted 11C to 15C range one would expect it to be within, but I could be mistaken.

Check the MKL and read this article by Advisory Panel member Lance:

1942 No.4 Mk1*(T) Savage Sniper Rifle (less scope)

You also might want to try our Milsurps custom search engine located in the top right corner of the site. It only searches our site using Google techniques and can be quite efficient. For example, in your case, type in the words savage sniper or perhaps savage no.4(t) and see what happens ..

Regards,
Doug

ps: You've posted your age as 71 !! How old is your dad?

[chosenman]

Hi Ian,
If you post a few pics there are quite a few knowledgeable people here who can assist. I've found in my own search prices can range from £3500 - £5500. Matching numbers and correct original parts are essential.

[Alan de Enfield]

£3,000 - £4,000 depending on originality, condition and case contents.

The No4T is probably the most 'faked' model of Enfield, if you post the pictures here then the experts will give you their opinions.

I have limited knowledge of 4T's but as far as I know the 4T's were not manfactured from Mk1* and thus FTR'd to Mk1/3.
Were 4Ts FTR'd and upgraded to MK2 standards ?
Some Savage rifles were used but (again) as far as I know they were in the 12C serial number range.

Just put your purchase on hold until the experts have commented.

[tlvaughn]

I have seen Savage T Less Telescope rifles in the 11C thru 15C blocks; however, I do not recall ever seeing a Savage MkI/3 T. Post some pictures and let some of the experts give you their honest opinions.

Good Luck!

[IanS]

Thanks guys, I greatly appreciate your suggestions. I will certainly do something about getting the pictures on here and if necessary, take up the helpful offer. They are all around 2mb each.
My dad is 93 and lives in BC and the gun isn't for him. He would like me to purchase it for myself. I have time to do some research before have to make a decision.
As you can see, I'm in the UK which makes gun ownership a lot harder than in the US and Canada. I have a shotgun certificate and will be submitting my FAC application in a couple of weeks.
To save time, I'll take up your offer thanks Badger.
Ian.

[Surpmil]

The rifle is a nice idea perhaps, but it seems to me that getting your dad's experiences down on tape or paper would be just as important. That is, if he would want to talk about his experiences?

[Alan de Enfield]

. I have a shotgun certificate and will be submitting my FAC application in a couple of weeks.
To save time, I'll take up your offer thanks Badger.
Ian.

Just a prior 'warning', getting an FAC is very different to getting a SGC, you will need to provide " a good reason to posess" (and maybe justification for a 303 rather than a smaller calibre) and you will need to provide evidence of membership of a shooting club suitabe for the calibre, or authorisation from a landowner, and Police approval that he land is authorised for that calibre.

With a SGC here is no limit as to how many you can buy, you go and buy one. With an FAC, you find the rifle you want to buy, apply to the Police for permission and weeks later (- normally 8 weeks in my county) they give you permission, and you go and buy it, next time you want one you have to apply again and so on.
You will need to think very carefully about ammunition, again you need to request an amount from the Police, they will give you a 'maximum to hold' and a 'maximum to buy' (maybe 150 & 100) Initially it wll be a very low number, but after a few years you can apply to increase it.
Unlike shotgun ammunition, Firearm ammunition purchases are listed on your FAC (so each time you buy some the RFD has to write in on your FAC) Many Police Forces wil insist on you using 'so much' ammunition a year, on the principle that if you dont, then you have no justification for the rifle and the permission can be revoked.

Whllst it may not be 'correct', many Police Forces will 'refuse' you a full bore rifle until you have a year or two experience with a rim-fire - you may be able to appeal this ( I dint know) but it would certainly not do you 'any good' on future applications.

I know that you are trying to please your Dad, but unless you are actively and regularly going to shoot it than you will have trouble convincing the Police that you NEED one.
Whilst I hate to say it - it may be better to get him a Deactivated one that he can hang on his wall and rember the 'good old days' every time he looks at it.

[CINDERS]

There is more benefit in having your Dads memories put to paper if he is willing to drag those memories up again as it is a finite thing now as there are no more WWI diggers left and the candle is slowly burning down for all the other vets I mean that with sincerity.
My father refused to talk about New Gunea and other islands he went to never did he say anything to me try as I may later in life to try and understand why he was so aloof to late for me now.

[chosenman]

Yep, my old man was a Chindit and served through the whole of the Burma campaign. He took almost all of his experiences to the grave.