guess these two cartridges

[RCS]

It should not be difficult to guess the Soviet but what about the other one ?Attachment 56457Attachment 56458

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[browningautorifle]

Nagant revolver and Lebel Revolver...

[RCS]

Not the correct answer Jim. also not 7,5 Swiss nor 8mm Rast-Gasser

[RCS]

clue: the Soviet cartridge uses a 7,62mm bullet while the other cartridge uses a 8.4mm bullet

[Al Diehl]

8mm Pieper Carbine cartridge?? Maybe?

Pieper Carbine

Al

[RCS]

Al, you got it right, it is the 8mm Pieper (8,4x40R) even factory loaded in the USA until around 1916. Pieper revolvers and carbines used in Mexico from the late 1890's into the 1930's

loading buy Remington for the 8mm Pieper: 106 gr bullet @ 1150 fps

photo shows a UMC factory loadingAttachment 56481Attachment 56480

[Al Diehl]

So, did I win one of those cartridges for my collection? That would be sweet.

Al

[RCS]

photo shows two American black power cartridges, the cartridge on the right is the 45 Colt,

guess the other cartridge ?Attachment 56564

[Al Diehl]

Is it a .45 Silhouette? (A .45-70 shortened to 1.5") No, it can't be that because you said Black Powder. Is it a .45-60 Winchester?

Al

[RCS]

need to re-word my statement, Winchester never manufactured a firearm chambered for this cartridge. The cartridge shown in the photo has a Winchester headstamp