Mle 1907/15 Mannlicher/Enbloc clip question.

[Eaglelord17]

Hi all,

I am looking forward to taking my M1907/15 to the range to test out but I have some questions about the Mannlicher clips it uses. I have three reproduction clips which I have tested and they work but my question is how did the French historically stack/load the clip with the ammo.

For example the British stack there chargers _-_-_, did the French just do one rim under the others like in a standard 8x50r/8x56r Mannlicher clip (how I did it for the first shoot) or did they have some other way of stacking it. The reason I ask is the reproductions do not have any sort of tab to let you know which way should be up (like how on a 8x50r Mannlicher clip, which can only be inserted one way anyways).

To me this doesn't make sense as you could insert the clip upside down easily unless there was some other way to know. Is this just a design flaw with the design or is it just something lacking on my repros. Also when I stack the rounds in the clip it doesn't look like the photos I have seen of surplus (where the surplus ones seem to all be pointed to the middle)



In the picture the three rounds without a clip are stacked the way they are inside the clip to show what I mean.

Also as a side note, I will be doing some accuracy testing with this ammo likely next Monday or Tuesday. Its 50rds of 8x50r Lebel, using 235grn pulled Balle 'N' surplus bullets (I bought the pulled bullets off someone, but I have no idea where they got them, maybe they pulled themselves).

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[browningautorifle]

These are forced upward as they fire...they'll sort themselves as you go. There'd be no way to grab the clip one side up or the other in action or in the dark. We over think this...

[Aragorn243]

I think what he's worried about is the rim from the one below catching the rim from the upper preventing it from chambering. This should not be a problem as the rims should be held so they can't do this. If the repros are too loose I suppose it could. My originals are a little loose also. I didn't have any issues when I took it to the range.

[browningautorifle]

I understand his worry but don't think there'll be a problem. Otherwise the whole system would have been flawed from the beginning. As you say, yours isn't a problem.

[RCS]

I understand these Mle 1917 clips are at the $100 price now (repros are $50)Attachment 66698

I believe this is the proper way to load this clip

[browningautorifle]

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I have a couple of these old ones too...neat to think that the 5 shot was the much upgraded, hi cap mag of the day...

[butlersrangers]

I recently bought one of the reproduction 3-shot Berthier clips ('chargeurs'). In early testing, I am getting 'rim jams' in about 50% of my trials.

A few years back, I had a Berthier carbine (M-16). The 5-shot clips (originals) worked without a problem with the same Prvi ammo. I don't think these repro 3-shot clips are quite right.

From experience, I found Lee-Enfield chargers had to be loaded by 'over-lapping' the rims and using the charger 'one-directional' in stripping cartridges into the magazine. The Mosin-Nagant has an 'interrupter' to assist rimmed cartridge feed. I am sure original French made Berthier clips worked correctly from 'either end up'.

[browningautorifle]

I don't think these repro 3-shot chargers are quite right.

That's probably about the best assessment of them.

[RCS]

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Always interesting to find a few clips or a few rounds in machine gun links, sometimes a gift from a friend or something at a gun show or rifle range.

[browningautorifle]

Fourth pic, left hand clip, is that a clip of 30-03?