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    Jim, post some photos id love to see them.

    The source for the 170 grain fmj for 30-30 in executions to the best of my memories was a scanned gif of a document with what looked like federal department of corrections seal information.



    There are companies like Woodleigh and one in Australiaicon/new Zealand that make steel jacketed with copper overlay in round nose configuration but they don't have loading data. And cutting edge makes bullets that are almost round nose from solid copper, but don't give any safe to use loading data.

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    OK here they are, first is a 30-30 pneumatic, next a 30-30 RN FMJ, then a 32Spl same but in a drill cartridge, then a .303 Savage same. Reason for the FMJ in various calibers was the use by the PCMR during the war. We have those guys around here so their odds and ends are here. The cartridges are of course in the same order in all three pics.
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    Your photos are for loaded ammo. If the original poster is looking for component bullets he is still out of luck.
    It may be that Norma or Herter's might have cataloged something similar 60 years ago but they are not on the market now.
    I am not sure why the feds would have used a 30-30 for anything. If they use their own rifles they have plenty of .30 cal military rifles and plenty of ammo they can get from any armory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ireload2 View Post
    Your photos are for loaded ammo.
    No kiddin'...and here's why they're here...

    Quote Originally Posted by pocketshaver View Post
    Jim, post some photos id love to see them.
    Regards, Jim

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    During WW2 there was a detachment of National Guard troops from Alaska that carried and used 30-30 rifles. They were used to infiltrate Attu and Kiska to scout out the Japaneseicon which they did. There was also another group that was used to guard National Forests with 30-30 rifles. There were security people armed with 30-30 rifles protecting defense industries too. If I remember right they all used FMJ rounds. But there was nothing ever listed as far as executions having to use FMJ rounds that I have been able to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill View Post
    During WW2 there was a detachment of National Guard troops from Alaska that carried and used 30-30 rifles. They were used to infiltrate Attu and Kiska to scout out the Japaneseicon which they did. There was also another group that was used to guard National Forests with 30-30 rifles. There were security people armed with 30-30 rifles protecting defense industries too. If I remember right they all used FMJ rounds.
    I knew there had to be a larger picture than just our PCMR...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill View Post
    There was also another group that was used to guard National Forests with 30-30 rifles.
    The "Spruce Gun." I sold this one just a couple months ago. Sorry the pictures are rough...my phone was fritzing out at the time.

    Found a name under the buttplate. "Ed Dickey." I always look under the buttplate on a new-to-me rifle...never know what you'll find.





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    Quote Originally Posted by rcathey View Post
    look under the buttplate
    We had the job of rebluing a carbine once and found a novena folded up under the buttplate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcathey View Post
    The "Spruce Gun."
    Spruce...Gumwood? It was an attempt to lighten the carbine, weighed 1/3 less than walnut. It was so soft you could dig it with a thumbnail, was unsuccessful. Looks like it may have been a ranch gun with that number stamped in the butt heel.
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Spruce...Gumwood?
    The way I read it, they were nicknamed the spruce gun because they guarded the spruce forests of the Pacific Northwest. Spruce was vital to the war effort for building airplanes.
    One of the scarcer US military firearms out there but they do turn up and fly under the radar when they do

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcathey View Post
    they guarded the spruce forests of the Pacific Northwest.
    Yes it was, fair enough. Another martial use, not to forget the foraging guns of WW1, I wonder what their ammo was?
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