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    New Chassepot Cahen et Lyon et cie. Trying to decypher markings. Paging Dr.Chadwick!

    OK new Chassepot.
    This one is nice, the bore is mint. Carried a lot but short little, if ever. The stock and receiver were sanded a long while ago which rubbed off some of the markings. But it is an all numbers matching 1867 Cahen et lyon Chassepot.
    So this was what i was able to cypher from the partial markings.
    ** et lyon cie Cahen-lyon et cie
    ***den Bir***ham Tipping & lawden Birmingham

    The markings forward of the makers mark are a bit harder to get. Any one know what they mean, I'm all ears. They are in Frenchicon script which is not easy to read. This is what i think i'm seeing thanks to a magnifying glass and a grease pencil. Top to bottom left to right
    Ch* almost looks like it say 6pm. next and slight lower R*es Lme co
    des r*om** for sure it says Des. R*om* could also "some" or "rhone" May be it is Rohan?
    St Etienne 1870
    Going out on a limb, i think it could be Chateau des rohan but i could be wrong. Any idea what LMEco means?
    any info welcome. More pictures coming when able.
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    Better pictures of markings with out grease pencil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewer View Post
    Chateau des Rohan
    Quite possibly. Alphonse Chassepot was active in the arms factory, which was in the locality of Mutzig - a much more common marking. But I find it too difficult to read the inscriptions. More photos please - and try using a point-source light, moving it around until you get the best contrast. There appear to be several inscriptions, one on top of another, and they can't all be military.

    Here is an extract from a Frenchicon thread which mentions the use of components from Tipping & Lawden in Chassepot arms:

    ... Fusils ou baïonnettes fabriqués chez Tipping et Lawden. Péron, contrôleur de 1ère classe à Saint-Omer a été nommé contrôleur principal pour la réception des armes en Angleterre.[/size]
    Le 6 octobre 1868, il a été désigné pour surveiller la fabrication des 8 000 sabres-baïonnettes Mle 1866 destinés à remplacer un pareil nombre fourni à la société Cahen-Lyon par la MAC. Au sujet de cette dernière mission, les 8 000 sabres-baïonettes à fournir à Cahen-Lyon ne sont pas à faire, ils sont finis pour la plupart. Monsieur Reeves, manufacturier de cette ville avait reçu de Cahen-Lyon une commande de 16 000 sabres-baïonnettes. Il nous en a présenté au printemps un certain nombre, et après de nombreuses observations et rebuts, il est parvenu à nous en fournir moins de 3 000 sur un nombre beaucoup plus considérable de présentés. Il se trouvait en voie passable de fabrication lorsqu’un incendie a détruit ses ateliers. Monsieur Lawden s’est alors adressé à Cahen-Lyon qui lui a procuré des sabres de la MAC et il a augmenté ses commandes chez les fabricants de Solingen qui ont aussi fourni la plupart des sabres-baïonnettes des armes reçues à Birmingham. Après avoir reconstruit ses ateliers, monsieur Reeves a repris l’exécution de sa commande sans aucune immixtion de notre part, excepté qu’il est venu nous demander des renseignements sur quelques dimensions et sur les instruments vérificateurs. Aujourd’hui, il a près de 10 000 sabres-baïonnettes finis, y compris un certain nombre expédié par lui vers l’Espagne par ordre de Cahen-Lyon et dont les caisses se sont trouvées arrêtées à Londres par le Consul d’Espagne, sans doute en prévision des évènements actuels. Il ne lui reste donc que 3 à 4 000 sabres en cours de fabrication et offre de prendre les 8 000 ou le complément pour y arriver en sus de ceux en main, sur ceux déjà faits.[/size]
    La surveillance de la fabrication en Angleterre est complètement illusoire car aucun ouvrier anglais ne consentira à recevoir des avis d’étranger.
    La fabrication est terminée chez Webley. ...

    The P in a circle would thus appear to be the acceptance stamp of Mr. Péron. The entire thread can be found here:

    Recherche avancée

    Maybe I can offer more help if better photos are made available!
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    Hopefully these are better. The top three letter are hard to read.
    However it looks like it says Des rhone or Des Some.

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