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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl1a1collector View Post
    I've had a look at the photos, that there is of them.

    I've compared the markings on the one shown in the original post with the markings of my SPF 6067 Rifle (7.62mm) Assembled in 1963 and looked at a number of other SPF rifles markings and ALL are 7.62mm rifles. The SPF number is a census number, they same why New Zealand originally applied the N/|\Z marking. Census numbers tend to be applied by the crate or rack and have nothing to do with the factory serial number for example if you look at the list below, the dates of manufacture are all over the place in comparison to the SPF number. Armourers have enough to do, without the headache of applying a census number, hence the general rough application of the hand stamped numbers........ sounds like a job for the apprentices.

    SPF 473....... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 4111..... AD67 (7.62mm)
    SPF 6067..... AD63 (7.62mm)
    SPF 6093..... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7264..... AD68 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7675..... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7751..... AD67 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7784..... AD69 (7.62mm)

    I've never come across an Australianicon Lithgow made .22 L12A1 Rifle, They didn't make any such thing.

    if you look at the markings you can clearly see how Lithgow roll stamp their markings, they DON'T use Serif's on their '1', its just a 'l'. The 'F' doesn't match either.

    As Peter pointed out there are instructions EMER/EMEI Instructions dealing with what to do with a rifle with a stuck L12A1 barrel. Its possible a workshop in Singapore altered some rifles for the SPF, but I would expect to see some form of marking from the workshops. The L12A1 didn't come arrive till about 1966/67, I can't see them being used by the SPF for a decade, a bit like New Zealand and Australia. Realistically they didn't see the kits until the late 70's and were restricted use. I can't see the SPF getting them earlier.

    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../yvMiqhC-1.jpg

    Cheers Kev, the court has heard the evidence from the expert witness, the jury is back and the verdict is a unanimous ' Bullshit!

    Someone take his pantograph machine away for god's sake!
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    Gezz I need to proof read my replies! Reads like I had been drinking. Sad thing is I hadn't LOL.

    If anyone else has a SPF marked rifle add your number and the Year of assembly and I'll expand the list, ohhh and calibre in case yours is a .22

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    My example Kev

    AD7104498 SPF1392 oddly mine isn't .22lr.......LOL

    ---------- Post added at 09:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:53 PM ----------

    It depends if he sold you the Calendar Roy....
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    For Kev, although body and TMH aren’t matching serial numbers,

    TMH : SPF 1950 AD71

    Body : UB60A**** ( I bet the matching body to the above is one of these rare .22 ones , just my luck ??)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    For Kev, although body and TMH aren’t matching serial numbers,

    TMH : SPF 1950 AD71

    Body : UB60A**** ( I bet the matching body to the above is one of these rare .22 ones , just my luck ??)
    Evening Geoff, as this is clearly a composite build, we can guarantee the kit came from Helstons, my guess would be the barrel maker ( whoever he is) had a barrel that he had issues with and couldn't be used for full bore, hence gorilla gluing a .22 liner in permanently to create this build.

    I would love to see a picture with the handgurds off, I will guarantee it's not to correct L1A1 profile.
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    Let's also collate this into the thread.....

    https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=78972
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    Updated list since I can't edit my original Post

    SPF 150....... AD71 (7.62mm)
    SPF 473....... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 1314..... AD71 (7.62mm)
    SPF 1392..... AD71 (7.62mm)
    SPF 1480..... AD71 (7.62mm)
    SPF 4111..... AD67 (7.62mm)
    SPF 4312..... AD69 (7.62mm)
    SPF 6067..... AD63 (7.62mm)
    SPF 6069..... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 6093..... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7472..... AD68 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7264..... AD68 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7675..... AD70 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7751..... AD67 (7.62mm)
    SPF 7784..... AD69 (7.62mm)
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    Mine is SPF 7579....AD69 (7.62mm)

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    Here's a few more SPF examples, if anyone's keeping score:

    SPF 2501 AD69
    SPF 2259 AD70
    SPF 7554 AD68
    SPF 7666 AD69

    All in 7.62mm.

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