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RBruce Range Report - 1891 Carcano... 05-25-2012, 05:16 PM
Patrick Chadwick Oversized bullets + gain... 05-25-2012, 06:21 PM
RBruce Patrick, Thank you for a... 05-25-2012, 10:08 PM
Parashooter One of Hornady's early data... 05-25-2012, 11:35 PM
Patrick Chadwick That's the table! 05-26-2012, 04:34 AM
jmoore Winchester must have thought... 05-26-2012, 05:10 AM
Parashooter As described by Emary in an... 05-26-2012, 10:48 AM
RBruce Durn. I printed that page by... 05-28-2012, 03:29 PM
Patrick Chadwick Guys, please note: that table... 05-28-2012, 04:28 PM
vintage hunter Just where exactly does it... 05-28-2012, 06:27 PM
Patrick Chadwick Wrong perspective! It says... 05-29-2012, 04:53 PM
vintage hunter No Patrick it does not... 05-29-2012, 06:10 PM
jmoore IIRC, the Prvi cases are... 05-29-2012, 10:46 PM
Patrick Chadwick Because people tend to read... 05-30-2012, 12:17 AM
Patrick Chadwick Please read what I wrote. ... 05-30-2012, 12:09 AM
jmoore I've shot them as well in... 05-28-2012, 10:51 PM
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Patrick Chadwick It seems that Emary only... 05-29-2012, 05:29 PM
RBruce Since my Model 1891 made in... 05-29-2012, 12:17 AM
jmoore Aren't Carcanos fun? Very... 05-30-2012, 12:15 AM
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vintage hunter I'd considered doing... 05-30-2012, 08:57 AM
Patrick Chadwick Carcano gain twist... 05-31-2012, 02:31 AM
jmoore How about the '91 carbine and... 05-31-2012, 02:58 AM
Patrick Chadwick A couple more gain twist... 05-31-2012, 12:27 PM
jmoore Yah, stupid of me! ... 06-01-2012, 12:07 AM
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    A couple more gain twist barrels...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmoore View Post
    How about the '91 carbine ...?
    The Moschetto M91 is the carbine version of the M91 long rifle. Originally intended for the cavalry, it was designated Moschetto M91 d.c. ("da cavalleria")
    after the introduction of the Moschetto M91 TS ("Truppe Speciali")

    Quote Originally Posted by jmoore View Post
    ...and the '91 TS?
    This uses the same barrel as the Moschetto M91 d.c.

    And before anyone asks...

    The Moschetto M91/24. The "pocket rifle". This is probably the nearest thing to those jokey "tanker" rifles fudged up from old Lee Enfields that was ever produced by a regular arsenal. The first version simply had the M91 rifle barrel cut down to a rifling length of 377 mm. Which meant that the faster twist end had been cut off, and it was a ballistic flop.

    For the second version, someone applied a bit of thought before starting up the saw, and these had an M91 rifle barrel shortened at the breach end, and then an insert/sleeve made to attach this to a new breach. So the twist has to be worked out backwards from the muzzle, giving a twist at the muzzle of 201 mm (as already given for the Fucile M91) and 360 mm (3.25 degrees) at the start of the rifling, a little sharper than the Moschetto M91.

    After all this, the Italianicon arsenal engineers must have been heartily sick of the whole gain twist business, and it is not surprising that the 7.35mm carbines and the Fucile M91/41 were designed with normal constant twist barrels.


    Patrick

    P.S. If there are any mistakes in the above values, it is probably because I am getting confused as well!
    Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 05-31-2012 at 02:24 PM. Reason: typos

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