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    No Patrick it does not explictly say it is for the M41 only, it simply states the M41 just happened to be the rifle chosen for final testing. IF this data was intended soley for use in just one model it should and most certainly would say so in bold print. Imagine, in this lawsuit happy world, the liabilities a company would face by not making such knowledge known to the end users. As for the disclaimer, it's found in all loading munuals I've ever seen, pretty much word for word. To hopefully solve any doubts about the subject I phoned Hornady(800-338-3220) and asked whether or not this data and .268'' bullets would be safe to use in gain twist barrels. The technician I spoke with(Brad) said there would be no problems with using this bullet/data combination in ANY CARCANO(Vetterli's are not Carcano's) w/gain twist barrels providing the rifle is in good condition and the exact components shown were used with exception to the brass where PRVI cases could safely be substituted for the Norma's. What about all other load data? Theres only one rifle shown as the test platform, does that mean 8x57 data developed in a K98kicon is unsafe for use in any other variant of M98 Mauser or in modern sporting rifles of the same caliber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    with exception to the brass where PRVI cases could safely be substituted for the Norma's.

    IIRC, the Prvi cases are what's listed in the published data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    As for the disclaimer, it's found in all loading munuals I've ever seen, pretty much word for word.
    Because people tend to read into such sheets what they expect, not what is actually presented. As soon as the reader starts to interpret or make assumptions, he is venturing into territory that is excluded by the disclaimer.

    I am not claiming that the (nominal) .268" bullets and the loads published in the handwritten data sheet (which does not appear to bear the name of David Emary) or the lengthy article which does bear his name will be dangerous, hazardous, fun, or the most accurate load ever derived. I am not making any claim about the applicability of the load at all.

    As for
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    The technician I spoke with(Brad)
    in
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    this lawsuit happy world,
    if you had trouble with that load in any other Carcano, I suspect you would hear something on the lines of
    "Reloading is always on the responsibility and risk of the user..."
    "You must have misunderstood him..."
    "Brad had no authority to make such a statement..."
    "Brad who?"
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