Charlie, Thanks for the post - it gives me some encouragement to get off my duff and get out there! It's been 5 years since I've done any reloading and 3-4 since I've fired one of the carbines. The last time, I went out with my older brother and took my reloads with X-Treme plated lead bullets, some with loose bulk bullets from a gun show (believe Remington) and a few rounds with Armscor FMJ. I was frustrated with the groups I was getting and just before we headed home, I fired about 10 rounds with the Armscor bullets and they grouped a whole lot better. The bullets are "funny" looking in appearance, but shot really well for me. This with LC brass, CCI #41 primers, and 15.0g W296. At the time, they were the least expensive FMJ bullets you could get. I still have a few left. If you haven't given them a try, PM me an I'll send you a few. - Bob