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    Hodgson, there's no need to be frightened or wary of fitting your No32 to a decent No4 to make a No4T replica. But you MUST read and re-read again several times the simple instructions wot I rote some time ago and is recorded elsewhere on this forum. But make sure that you follow them to the letter or you will end up with a pile of crap. It is too easy to drill first and read next. Read FIRST, re-read SECOND, measure twice and drill once. You only get one go. But if you do you'll end up with a good replica and competitive rifle to boot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Hodgson, there's no need to be frightened or wary of fitting your No32 to a decent No4 to make a No4T replica. But you MUST read and re-read again several times the simple instructions wot I rote some time ago and is recorded elsewhere on this forum. But make sure that you follow them to the letter or you will end up with a pile of crap. It is too easy to drill first and read next. Read FIRST, re-read SECOND, measure twice and drill once. You only get one go. But if you do you'll end up with a good replica and competitive rifle to boot
    Thanks Peter for your reply. If I decide to go for the proper mount I will follow your directions. I have had the said rifle for a good 20 year's. So naturally I'm apprehensive.I think I'll get the scope checked over first and go with a non gunsmith mount before attacking it. Just to make sure. Thanks again for your reply.

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    Maybe if you post your scope number it would prevent a lot of folks asking if it's right for their rifle. Me included, Lol, Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayg View Post
    Maybe if you post your scope number it would prevent a lot of folks asking if it's right for their rifle. Me included, Lol, Ray
    Ok Ray. Tel. Sighting /No32. Mk1./OS.446A.KL/1941 REG.No6611. Since first posting I'm no wiser to where it came in manufacturer dates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodgson1 View Post
    Ok Ray. Tel. Sighting /No32. Mk1./OS.446A.KL/1941 REG.No6611. Since first posting I'm no wiser to where it came in manufacturer dates.
    1941 presumably. IIRC from Peter's book on the No32, that would make it the 661st scope produced by KL as their SN range began at 6000.

    WW began at 0 or else 1000 - AFAIK nothing below 1000 has ever surfaced even stamped on a buttstock, and HBM began at 3000. HBM soon dropped the date from their production for some unknown reason. I once had 3057 which was dated 1941, but have never heard of another.

    IIRC, no trials rifles are seen with KL SN ranges, so either they were a bit slower getting going or the need for the 1400 odd scopes required for the trials conversions was filled from WW and HBM production.

    Much of the production then appears to have spend a couple of years or so sitting in a depot somewhere before H&H caught up with the supply of scopes.
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    Good evening Surpmil,

    I have a 1931 dated trials rifle with wrist stamped 6003. My other trials is dated 1933 with HBMC number 3234 stamped into its wrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smle addict View Post
    Good evening Surpmil,

    I have a 1931 dated trials rifle with wrist stamped 6003. My other trials is dated 1933 with HBMC number 3234 stamped into its wrist.
    Very interesting! So you have their third scope AFAWK! That should win the prize for earliest survivor.

    Colin's spreadsheet on the trials conversions will show up some interesting patterns I'm sure. Is your data in the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    1941 presumably. IIRC from Peter's book on the No32, that would make it the 661st scope produced by KL as their SN range began at 6000.

    WW began at 0 or else 1000 - AFAIK nothing below 1000 has ever surfaced even stamped on a buttstock, and HBM began at 3000. HBM soon dropped the date from their production for some unknown reason. I once had 3057 which was dated 1941, but have never heard of another.

    IIRC, no trials rifles are seen with KL SN ranges, so either they were a bit slower getting going or the need for the 1400 odd scopes required for the trials conversions was filled from WW and HBM production.

    Much of the production then appears to have spend a couple of years or so sitting in a depot somewhere before H&H caught up with the supply of scopes.
    Thanks Surpmil. I apologise for not reading your answer sooner. Very interesting reading. I'll jot your information down on this scope. Thanks again for taking the time to reply in such a detailed way. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    1941 presumably. IIRC from Peter's book on the No32, that would make it the 661st scope produced by KL as their SN range began at 6000.

    WW began at 0 or else 1000 - AFAIK nothing below 1000 has ever surfaced even stamped on a buttstock, and HBM began at 3000. HBM soon dropped the date from their production for some unknown reason. I once had 3057 which was dated 1941, but have never heard of another.

    IIRC, no trials rifles are seen with KL SN ranges, so either they were a bit slower getting going or the need for the 1400 odd scopes required for the trials conversions was filled from WW and HBM production.

    Much of the production then appears to have spend a couple of years or so sitting in a depot somewhere before H&H caught up with the supply of scopes.
    I have scope 6009, so from what your saying is the 9th KL scope produced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyd View Post
    I have scope 6009, so from what your saying is the 9th KL scope produced?
    Peter's scope serial number lists are just ranges and are not exact. Earliest KL scope I have seen to date is 5849, latest is 7769
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