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rgg_7 L42/Enforcer Ammunication 01-27-2013, 09:09 AM
Thunderbox No, the barrels were designed... 01-27-2013, 10:02 AM
waco16 I've tried quite a few bullet... 01-27-2013, 01:42 PM
jmoore I've found most available... 01-28-2013, 12:19 AM
Enfield Enforcer Enfield Enforcer-Ammo .308... 02-01-2019, 07:36 AM
Sunray "...144gn NATO ball..." 147... 02-01-2019, 02:14 PM
Bindi2 The L42 action is a 303... 02-01-2019, 06:39 PM
scharfschutzen63 If I understand correctly,... 02-01-2019, 07:25 PM
Frederick303 What you have missed is the... 02-02-2019, 03:01 AM
bigduke6 That does rap it up nicely,... 02-02-2019, 10:34 AM
Strangely Brown It you're referring to the... 02-02-2019, 01:15 PM
Roy W MEN 7.62 X 51 Nato (Per 100)... 02-02-2019, 03:05 PM
Alan de Enfield That's exactly the 'stuff' I... 02-02-2019, 03:09 PM
mrclark303 I've got a couple of 20 rd... 02-02-2019, 03:23 PM
bigduke6 Thats the stuff Mick, seemed... 02-02-2019, 06:48 PM
Bindi2 This is a military proof not... 02-02-2019, 05:30 AM
Bruce_in_Oz If the rifle is THROATED for... 02-02-2019, 02:35 AM
Strangely Brown Much has been said and... 02-02-2019, 06:05 AM
Bruce_in_Oz Lots of discussion locally... 02-03-2019, 01:59 AM
David TS GGG is also brilliant STANAG... 02-03-2019, 04:45 AM
Enfield Enforcer Hello altogether, many... 02-04-2019, 10:00 AM
harry mac I'm not the best shot in the... 02-06-2019, 04:36 AM
Enfield Enforcer Federal .308 Win. 175 gr Gold... 11-06-2020, 01:14 PM
Alan de Enfield This is the original... 02-04-2019, 11:40 AM
David TS Enfield Enforcer Following... 02-04-2019, 04:30 PM
mrclark303 An additional thumbs up for... 02-05-2019, 06:18 AM
Enfield Enforcer Federal .308 Win. 175 gr Gold... 11-06-2020, 01:05 PM
GeeRam Verwenden sie in Enforcer /... 11-07-2020, 09:05 AM
Roger Payne Forgive my ignorance, but... 02-06-2019, 07:04 AM
limpetmine German, I do believe. 02-06-2019, 08:27 AM
Enfield Enforcer And again many interesting... 02-06-2019, 11:23 AM
Roger Payne Vielen dank:) 02-06-2019, 09:55 AM
bigduke6 Second pic along post #29 is... 02-08-2019, 03:45 PM
Enfield Enforcer That sounds great - to make... 02-12-2019, 06:58 AM
Enfield Enforcer Hello Thank you.... 11-15-2020, 02:14 PM
Frederick303 Today I took my 1987 MAB... 02-17-2019, 11:34 PM
Enfield Enforcer Thanks Frederick303 That... 02-28-2019, 12:41 PM
Enfield Enforcer The trouble is, too, beside... 11-25-2020, 01:32 PM
Bruce_in_Oz "There is a .013" difference... 11-08-2020, 04:42 PM
Micheal Doyne I put GGG 155grn 7.62 though... 11-26-2020, 08:32 AM
Enfield Enforcer Thanks Michael Doyne, ... 11-30-2020, 11:40 AM
Bindi2 Enfield Enforcer every one of... 11-30-2020, 12:06 PM
Micheal Doyne It is proofed to 21 tons per... 12-02-2020, 06:35 PM
Bindi2 Still well up on the original... 12-02-2020, 06:57 PM
Bindi2 Lee Enfield please explain to... 12-01-2020, 09:53 PM
Bindi2 A d E the No4/L42/clone in... 12-02-2020, 06:31 AM
Alan de Enfield And in the US folks can just... 12-02-2020, 07:47 AM
Bindi2 Not the U S A or OZZ. And... 12-02-2020, 07:55 AM
GeeRam :thup: 12-02-2020, 02:43 PM
Roger Payne It bemuses me that we are... 12-02-2020, 06:39 AM
Enfield Enforcer Hello altogether, a lot of... 12-03-2020, 02:10 PM
Alan de Enfield I'm very interested to see... 12-03-2020, 02:14 PM
Surpmil it may have been said... 12-06-2020, 07:17 PM
Enfield Enforcer Federal .308 Win. 175 gr Gold... 12-07-2020, 01:12 PM
Enfield Enforcer This pressure: if for the... 12-16-2020, 08:16 AM
Bindi2 Roger some of us know this... 12-02-2020, 07:22 AM
30Three Personally I just don't get... 12-03-2020, 02:26 AM
muffett.2008 Dunno 'bout that Zed, had a... 12-03-2020, 03:46 AM
Daan Kemp Pardon me for being confused.... 12-03-2020, 04:16 AM
Alan de Enfield Going back to the original... 12-03-2020, 06:03 AM
muffett.2008 Basically the same round, the... 12-03-2020, 05:08 AM
Enfield Enforcer Thanks Alan de Enfield, I... 12-14-2020, 10:02 AM
Alan de Enfield Be careful not to become... 12-14-2020, 11:15 AM
Daan Kemp Ah, that explains a lot. Our... 12-03-2020, 05:42 AM
Bruce_in_Oz The limiting factors in the... 12-04-2020, 04:00 AM
Gloworm Is the GGG 7.62 NATO safe to... 12-14-2020, 10:47 AM
Gil Boyd I use only GGG 7.62 in my... 12-14-2020, 11:06 AM
Gloworm Thanks Gil, that puts my mind... 12-14-2020, 09:02 PM
Enfield Enforcer Thanks everyone, In... 12-18-2020, 12:53 PM
Bindi2 52,000 CUP with a variance in... 12-14-2020, 02:33 PM
Gil Boyd Blimey....................:sos... 12-16-2020, 08:31 AM
vintage hunter Just keep it at .303 pressure... 12-16-2020, 02:26 PM
30Three Anyone else noticed a few... 12-16-2020, 03:18 PM
Bindi2 Finally the serious issue has... 12-17-2020, 07:22 AM
Surpmil Could you expand on that... 12-17-2020, 10:12 AM
browningautorifle This is a basic for accuracy... 12-17-2020, 12:35 PM
Bindi2 Surpmil. I bought a Chroony... 12-17-2020, 04:52 PM
Surpmil Interesting Bindi2, as am not... 12-17-2020, 08:41 PM
browningautorifle I couldn't imagine not... 12-17-2020, 08:44 PM
Bindi2 When I started reloading... 12-17-2020, 10:37 PM
browningautorifle I don't think there have been... 12-18-2020, 05:54 AM
Bindi2 I certainly have seen more... 12-18-2020, 06:40 AM
browningautorifle I did hear about one incident... 12-18-2020, 08:02 AM
Gil Boyd Amount of times you here of... 12-18-2020, 08:14 AM
limpetmine Ye-gads, man. Must be a... 12-18-2020, 09:54 AM
Gil Boyd Have to say, thats sounds to... 12-18-2020, 10:37 AM
Enfield Enforcer Merry Christmas ! Enfield... 12-25-2020, 10:55 AM
Roger Payne Third time?? He clearly bears... 12-18-2020, 09:03 AM
Alan de Enfield Definition of insanity... 12-18-2020, 09:17 AM
browningautorifle Perhaps he did but the man... 12-18-2020, 06:57 PM
Bindi2 GeeRam case head separation... 12-18-2020, 05:56 PM
GeeRam Yes I know. I wrote the... 12-19-2020, 04:29 AM
Alan de Enfield A squib load can cause... 12-18-2020, 06:19 PM
Bindi2 A d E Perfect example of... 12-18-2020, 07:01 PM
Surpmil Some nice splinters came... 12-19-2020, 01:38 AM
browningautorifle Same to you and yours... 12-25-2020, 01:11 PM
Bindi2 Why not leave it as is and... 01-14-2021, 01:40 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by scharfschutzen63 View Post
    If I understand correctly, proof firing Is based on pressure and not bullet weight. I believe a high power rifle cartridge proof round develops 150% of the pressure of SAAMI maximum. The purpose of proof firing is to prove the action can safely handle standard ammunition.
    What you have missed is the 144 gr NATO ball cartridge has a short driving band, and the L39/L42 hammer forged Enfield barrels have a very tight bore, on the order of a .296 to .297 , with a groove diameter of .3065 to .3070. On the L1A2 ball with its average bullet diameter of .3075, that means acceptable pressure. They were proofed to take that cartridge and I assume the Canadianicon C21, Australianicon F4, etc.

    Now take a nice hot LR cartridge with a .3082 diameter 175 to 185 gr bullet, (designed for a true .308 bore) a longer effective driving band and the additional pressure required to swage the projectile down to .306? and you are looking at possibly excessive pressure.

    On top of this the trend in recent years has been toward hot long range loads that use the 175 to 185 Gr bullets in a 7.62 NATO case, as the only way to get a good 1000 yard velocity out of them is to load on the hot side. Most chaps using this are using rifles designed for these loads, either AR10s, or 4 lug target actions. Many of the primers look noticeably flat when ejected on a hot day. On a Barnard, Musgrave or Paramount., OK.........….On a L81 or L39 or envoy or L42...no....the action will eventually fail, most likely the first time it is a wee bit misty.

    For example M118LR is a pretty darned hot and is expected to be fired out of a front locking action, with a true NATO throat. The L39A1 and L42A1 chambers, if I recall have a headspace slightly shorter than the American NATO chamber print, and might have a smaller diameter neck, I do not recall at the moment. In any case it is a hot load, depended on the year and powder used.

    The warning is worth considering, but if not there is always a market for your resultant spares and you get to keep the pranged action.

    Finally you do not need it.

    The interesting thing about these Envoys/L39/L42 rifles is how well they shoot decent lots of green and black sport 7.62 NATO, or (so I am told) better lots of Germanicon DM 41 or Austrian Patronen 58 cartridges. The Austrians used the Patronen 58 in their SSG 69 to good effect out to 700 M, or so I am told. Both are on the market now in the US of A. A lot of people assume that the last set of 7.62 innovations were game changers, they were not. The old arms with the ammunition they were designed for are capable of fine performance, unless you are doing some serious competition, where the small advantages in velocity consistency, bullet quality will have a cumulative effect. The fun of shooting these old war horses is getting the best performance out of them in the period correct method.

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