Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn243 View Post
I read something interesting last night but considering the source I don't know what to make of it. It was from Cuomo, the idiot governor of New York who created the biggest mess in this nation through a combination of inaction and actively pushing for normalcy at the beginning of this entire thing.

He said that over 60% of NEW hospitalizations are coming from people who have been claiming to be self isolating. This makes no sense at all considering what we have been told. These are people who should not be contracting the virus. Granted, it's Cuomo and I have seen no other reports indicating this from anyone but am throwing it out there to see if is has happened anywhere. So either these people are lying, Cuomo is confused, or something really weird is going on like a possible incubation period a lot longer than anyone thought.

New case numbers are dropping both nationally and locally at a steady rate despite the reopenings happening across the nation.

Pennsylvania has finally released some numbers but it had to come from our legislature, not the governor. 67.9% of all deaths are from nursing homes. The average age is 79. Of all deaths statewide, not just in the nursing homes 11.9% had four comorbidities, 22.7% had three comorbidities, 27.2 had two comorbidities and 22.6 had one comorbidity. 11% had no comorbidity. The numbers don't add up to 100% but these numbers were what was reported to the legislature by the Governor's office. He has finally told them, but not us. They told us. Aggravating.

So in summary, it is what was suspected all along. Covid is not causing the vast majority of these deaths. It is aggravating underlying causes and the combination of the two or more conditions is what is causing the deaths.
We had similar information here. Lots of people got the virus at home, probably because they were not tested early enough and went into quarantine late, when they already had others at home infected.
Plenty seem to be completely asymptomatic and have thus infected their whole household.
The tragedy from the nursing homes reflects what happened here. Stats almost identical. Age, previous co-morbidities, etc.

The really aggravating thing here is that we are losing any appearance of democracy.
Criticising the government is impossible. Yesterday, 40-50 restaurant owners organised a protest in Milan, on an open square, in an extremely civilised manner, keeping safe distance and wearing masks.
They have been all identified and fined (400€ each, and hopefully no criminal charges on top of this) by the investigative department of the Police. Those who investigate big crime, terrorism and other nice things have been mobilised to intimidate these guys.
Ten days ago we had the so-called partisans who just paraded through many cities, free as birds and no-one was even warned. But they belong to the ideological side of the government, so they don't count.
Again, some animals keep being more equal than others here...
And this, luckily, is starting to cause some unrest. I guess that this might be the time when Italians shake up the tree a bit, to see if some fruits will fall down.
Many are finally understanding that they can't be taught what to do by technicians, bureaucrats only. There is the need for political agreement, for the hearing of different ideas, positions and then for a decision which has to be shared as much as possible.
I don't even think that this would create many problems, since currently the management of this crisis is really a disaster.
It's the Italianicon people who, behaving in an extremely responsible way, are allowing an improvement of the situation. Not the bureaucrats nor the politicians.