No 5 Jungle Carbine Forend Reinforcing Screws

[browningautorifle]

Here are the pics he sent me and some text to accompany. They look like Ishapore screws to me though.

Here's his text... "The first 4 is one and it has stock markings and the last two is the other. Thanks.
My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"

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[Steve H. in N.Y.]

Agree with Jim. They appear to be the standard screws fitted during refurb at RFI. I don't see any nuts.

[RobD]

why were the Indians so much more concerned about a split in the fore-end? Who's come across such splits as are preventable by the Ishapore screw?

[Daan Kemp]

why were the Indians so much more concerned about a split in the fore-end? Who's come across such splits as are preventable by the Ishapore screw?

I also wonder.

[Buccaneer]

My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"

This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520

[Alan de Enfield]

This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520

Scraping the barrel of the ever reducing brain cells .............................

Those markings were put on by the Cypriots who modified No4s to No5 'type' / specifications.

Just hang on and do some research - I'm sure they are 'official' conversions. There may even be threads on here about them, could be about 10 years ago ??

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This rather sad specimen came into me the other day and is heading for auction. It is just a No4 cut down to resemble the No5. I have never seen one marked in this way and wondered who would bother to do it, it does look official but apart from the Longbranch markings it gives no other information.Attachment 119520

There have been a number of posts about these rifles going back over 10 years ago.

Some say they are 'original' official rifles from Cyprus, others say they are fantasy pieces, but, there was a lot of them about in the UK and the USA.

Just one thread to get you started - may more threads on the subject.

Maybe do some resarch before condemming it to auction.


https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29147&page=1

[Buccaneer]

My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"

I was talking with a very good gunsmith friend at the weekend about these converted No4 rifles and he said that he saw a pile of them on a pallet at the now defunct Ryton Arms many years ago, I know it's no nearer to finding out who did the conversion but they appear to have been made in some quantity not just a few with Ryton importing them into the UK

[browningautorifle]

Originally Posted by browningautorifle
My next question is on the converted No 4 to No 5 with the Cyprus marks. Bought mine in Hawaii when stationed there in 92. All the posts and gun forums from 10+ years ago are inconclusive on origin. Thanks"

For the two members and others in future take note, I never bought one in Hawaii. That's not my statement, if you look back you see I'm entering another's statement. I was the one saw only one in person in Cyprus...