Radical concept....one should be able to put enough practice rounds through a firearm used for hunting to establish proficiency, on the reasoning that good shot placement leads to cleaner, more humane kills. And that it isn't up to the government to decide the round count.
Yes, OK...but not if it's not going to be suitable.
Point taken.
Specifically, .303 appears a perfectly good hunting cartridge. But maybe some ranges see that lead tip and it ends any nuanced discussion. Arguing with the range never works.
I know this doesn't help our brothers in the UK and elsewhere around the globe as they aren't allowed to use hunting ammo for target shooting.
At the range I used to be a member of we could use 'hunting ammunition' (soft point) at the range for the purpose of zeroing.
Looking at the Bisley rules they appear to allow 'unlimited' use of plain 'lead'.
Is this diferent to your understanding of the UK situation ?
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
At the range I used to be a member of we could use 'hunting ammunition' (soft point) at the range for the purpose of zeroing.
Looking at the Bisley rules they appear to allow 'unlimited' use of plain 'lead'.
Is this diferent to your understanding of the UK situation ?
I think Brian is referring to the time when expanding ammunition was moved to section 5, (only a UK government could be so stupid!) from memory this was rescinded back in 2017?
I think Brian is referring to the time when expanding ammunition was moved to section 5, (only a UK government could be so stupid!) from memory this was rescinded back in 2017?
That's going back a few years,
Yes, it was in the 2017 Firearms Act amendments that the expaning ammunition restriction was repealed ;
Section 129. Controls on ammunition which expands on impact
45. Section 129 of the 2017 Act amends subsection 5(1A)(f) of the 1968 Act to remove the prohibition on ammunition which incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact (‘expanding ammunition’) in respect of rifle ammunition only.
46. Section 5 of the 1968 Act specifically prohibits the possession, purchase or acquisition, and sale or transfer of expanding ammunition without the authority of the Secretary of State in England and Wales, or Scottish Ministers in Scotland.
47. Under section 5A(4) of the 1968 Act, an exemption from the general prohibition of expanding ammunition is made for the following purposes:
• the lawful shooting of deer; • the shooting of vermin or other wildlife in land management; • the humane killing of animals; and, • the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans. 48. To date, the police include a condition on certificates as required to give effect to this.
In fact, looking back to my 2019 FAC one of the conditions stated :
"The 308/7.62mm rifle and the .303/7.7mm rifles and ammunition shall be used for shooting Deer and other lawful quarry, for zeroing on ranges, and on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.................."
My 2014 FAC has the same clause and then goes on to add :
"The certificate holder may possess, purchase or acquire expanding ammunition, or the missiles of such ammunition, in the calibres authorised by this certificate and use only in connection with :
a) the lawful shooting of deer
b) the shooting of vermin or, in connection with the management of any estate, other wildlife
c) the humane killing of animals
d) the shooting of animals for the protection of other animals or humans"
Maybe both I, and the range were at fault (at that time) using expanding ammunition for Zeroing.
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
It was 2013 when I tried to get Sierra bullets to produce a Mk.7 equivalent projectile and failed miserably. The reason being the school shooting in CT that put Sierra in a mad dash to produce all the 5.56 and 7.62 they could because of the Obama administration threats to the industry. I realize that the design wouldn't necessarily be true to the open base and internal differences but at least a .311 FMJ with a flat base. The intention was to export some to the UK and other Commonwealth countries with shooters in need. I was told after their mad rush of production when I inquired again that if I wanted to pony up the cash for a million-round run, they might consider it.
Some years ago (I reckon it'd be around the turn of the century) Kynamco / Kynoch did a run of Mk7 but with NC so it would be Mk7Z in reality.
Unfortunately being S&B brass meant it was not reloadable.
I still have a few boxes tucked away.
Apologies for the quality of the sectioning - its not a bad job for an angle grinder, a rusty hacksaw and a big hammer.
Last edited by Alan de Enfield; 02-04-2025 at 06:02 PM.
Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...
Some years ago (I reckon it'd be around the turn of the century) Kynamco / Kynoch did a run of Mk7 but with NC so it would be Mk7Z in reality.
Unfortunately being S&B brass meant it was not reloadable.
I still have a few boxes tucked away.
Apologies for the quality of the sectioning - its not a bad job for an angle grinder, a rusty hacksaw and a big hammer.
togor
The problem was the brass not the Boxer bit.
I have had case head separation on first time fired new brass from a well known manufacturer i now refuse to have in my reloading room.
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