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ireload2 AIA #4 M10 Ejection 07-12-2009, 07:09 PM
Alfred I've found that the out of... 07-12-2009, 10:02 PM
Son Could I respectfully ask that... 07-13-2009, 02:46 AM
Alfred I large part we agree that... 07-13-2009, 09:36 AM
ireload2 Before posting about the AIA... 07-13-2009, 10:07 AM
ireload2 In the US the Springfield... 07-13-2009, 10:39 AM
Thunderbox In UK at least, an AIA... 07-13-2009, 03:54 PM
Dimitri Any and all external... 07-14-2009, 05:17 AM
Alfred The first M1A I fired had the... 07-14-2009, 01:12 PM
tiriaq IIRC, the rifle to which... 07-14-2009, 07:38 AM
tiriaq It is not unusual for spoiled... 07-14-2009, 04:42 PM
Maxwell Smart I can see some sense in the... 07-15-2009, 02:19 AM
ireload2 I think that technically the... 07-15-2009, 04:14 AM
Dimitri CMP matches want a unmodified... 07-15-2009, 05:25 AM
tiriaq Incidentally, how deep is the... 07-14-2009, 07:09 PM
ireload2 Interesting question. I... 07-14-2009, 07:47 PM
Alfred The odd looking Cadet rifle... 07-14-2009, 08:06 PM
Maxwell Smart It is fairly deep, the... 07-15-2009, 02:10 AM
tiriaq That's something else again,... 07-14-2009, 09:53 PM
tiriaq The CMP National Match... 07-15-2009, 06:33 AM
Alfred I'm a bit leery of the bolt... 07-15-2009, 10:55 AM
tiriaq I have used a carbide tool to... 07-15-2009, 01:34 PM
Alan de Enfield Article on converting a No4... 07-15-2009, 04:14 PM
Alfred I'd given that some thought.... 07-15-2009, 04:25 PM
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    It is not unusual for spoiled Lee Enfield Riflesicon to be used for various projects. They are readily available and very inexpensive.
    The fine old Britishicon sporting Lees are graceful, attractive rifles. Replicating one would be a challenge. Incidentally, it is possible to retrofit a tang safety, without great difficulty.
    Switch barrels are a definite option, although once a barrel is fitted, a Savage type locking collar isn't much of an advantage. A fitted barrel can be installed without gauges, a barrel with a collar requires a gauge every time - and the headspace might change slightly every time, depending on the "feel" as the collar is torqued into place. The suggestion of a .22 insert barrel for a .410 is very interesting.
    The disadvantages of rear locking, as well as undesirability of cock on closing have been overblown.
    The AIA rifles are interesting. It took a lot of effort to get them into production. Not an easy thing to do. AIA does seem to be a bit of an odd outfit. Whether the rifles will ever be widely distributed is anyone's guess. I personally have no problem with outsourcing, as long as QC is maintained. What I find amusing is the evasiveness of the maker and distributor.
    Springfield, Inc. started out the easy way with their early M1Aicon production. Commercial receiver, everything else USGI surplus. Scratch manufacturing a M1A receiver is enough of a challenge, without having to make everything else. As the supply of original parts dried up, the operation had to start making more and more of the bits. There have been growing pains and QC issues. Current production M1As have receivers cast in Montreal, Canadaicon, by the way. How many parts Springfield, Inc. currently makes in-house, and how many they outsource, I do not know.
    Years ago I was involved in a small firearm manufacturing business, and I do have an idea of the sort of challenge it can be to get anything into production.
    PH did have a rear locking .223 sized action in limited production, maybe the AR mag'd utility rifle was another company's project. I thought at the time it had potential. Still do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    The disadvantages of rear locking, as well as undesirability of cock on closing have been overblown.
    I can see some sense in the criticism of rear locking actions, but can someone explain to me just exactly why cock-on-closing is such a bad thing?

    Is it just because it is different to Mauser type actions?

    I can remember seeing "Speedlock" conversions available, IIRC these were to convert P14 and M17 to cock on opening. Supposedly to reduce the lock time - struck me as absolute hogwash, surely lock time is a function of striker spring energy and friction - just where in the cycle the mainspring is cocked should be irrelevant.

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    I think that technically the cock on closing is superior for a battle rifle.
    Rear locking has it's place if properly designed. The Swissicon 96 is a good example.
    Just way too long to be use with modern pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    Are SA Inc. M-1s welcome in the CMPicon M-1 Garand vintage match? I assume one could be used in the across the course National Match program.
    CMP matches want a unmodified as issued rifle on the outside. I do not see why a SAI M1 wouldn't be allowed based on that requirement as they allow M1Aicon rifles (and the Chinese M14S/M305 rifles to compete as "M14" rifles as long as externally they are the same as the originals (more or less selector system omitted of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    I expect that an AIA could be used in a formal "Service Conditions" match here.
    In theory per the DCRA anything is legal for matches, as its currently "Any rifle, any sight" in the regulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    How many parts Springfield, Inc. currently makes in-house, and how many they outsource, I do not know.
    SAI per my knowledge right now produces very little in their own plant. They finish machine the receivers and forged bolts, the barrels are made by a US maker otherwise most of the bits and pieces are made in Taiwan then finished assembled in their plant. There is a catalog online if you look hard enough for it for one of the Taiwanese arsenals that still have the ability to produce T57/M14 parts.

    Edit: If anyone wants the link to the catalog let me know, I'll gladly supply it.

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