any insight on powder shortage?

[duggaboy]

i am a smart buyer, not a hoarder, but I am now using small and large match federal primers I Hoarded(bought) the last time the stuff was short on supply,remember around the early nineties? so, I would and will put alot moe powder away for future use , and I sill have enough primer material in storage that I won't need to stock up on primers for another year or two. Just buying for the rainy day, which has come again, hasn't it?

[Calif-Steve]

Guys! Hoarding drives up the prices for no good reason. Buying what you don't need hurts all of us. I am used to paying $24.95 for 1k of primers. They now sell for $40.00-80.00. ONLY because of hoarding. Please yourself, for sure, but don't expect a Bronze Star from me!

[Matt Anthony]

Guys! Hoarding drives up the prices for no good reason. Buying what you don't need hurts all of us. I am used to paying $24.95 for 1k of primers. They now sell for $40.00-80.00. ONLY because of hoarding. Please yourself, for sure, but don't expect a Bronze Star from me!

Through Widener's, six cases of Wolf primers, Hazmat and shipping just last week, cost me $916.65. Cost per 1000 is $30.56. A year ago from Wideners I paid $691.50 for the same order. Everyone I know is buying components, and it's not about hoarders, it's about OBAMA and his band of thieves. Check out HR-45 and how they are trying to put that on the back of an IRS bill. When you start reading what they want, you'd change your tune on others buying what they believe they need to protect themselves.
Also, I can't see your logic in your attack against those that buy for their own stock! No one is stopping you from buying whatever you want, why are you judging others as if they are doing something wrong?

[Calif-Steve]

Lets hope this buying panic convinces us to vote early, vote often. We do have a voice, use it.

[Matt Anthony]

Lets hope this buying panic convinces us to vote early, vote often. We do have a voice, use it.

The late Richard J. Daley, former Mayor of Chicago always said to the city before an election, "To Vote and Vote Often!" Anyway, I think people voted on promises that will never happen when they voted for the communist we now have residing at our White House.
Next time it would be better to vote on a candidates accomplishments instead of his lies spewing out of his face hole. Hope we can believe in, look at the mess he has put us under!!!!!!!!!! Let's hope we can survive at the present rate of spending!

[hockeybuff]

Matt:
I'm not attacking your decision to buy how many primers you want or why, but by your own admission you bought 30,000 primers you didn't need. The hoarding by you and others is hurting us- the other members of this board (shooters and reloaders). The logic there is that you (and others) are causing us to pay alot more for primers etc if we can find them. Why then would we be happy for you? Or as Calif-Steve put it, why would we give you a Bronze Star for your conduct?

[Matt Anthony]

Matt:
I'm not attacking your decision to buy how many primers you want or why, but by your own admission you bought 30,000 primers you didn't need. The hoarding by you and others is hurting us- the other members of this board (shooters and reloaders). The logic there is that you (and others) are causing us to pay alot more for primers etc if we can find them. Why then would we be happy for you? Or as Calif-Steve put it, why would we give you a Bronze Star for your conduct?

Are you looking??? Why is it that others find them also! Get on line everyday and check out the sites!
Yes, I don't need them right now, but seeing how the prices are escalating, everyone should buy more than they need to save money in the future. I'll continue to buy, whenever they are available, regardless of what others say.
Remember, you can do what others and myself included have done, when Widener's or powdervalley or any other outlet show they have stock, buy them if you so choose, if you don't want to buy any, then don't! Just don't condemn others for seeing what the future is showing, higher manufacturers costs, shipping increases and profit for the companies that sell products.
I don't understand the bronze star comment, I never asked for that, but I am not going to be left short on components, and there are thousands that feel the same way.
The word came out before the election, almost a year from when Obama was sworn in, for everyone to consider stocking up. Why didn't every one take heed of the warnings? I remember others saying it wasn't going to happen and the ones that were warning others were idiots! Hmmmmmm!

[Calif-Steve]

AGAIN!! Vote early, vote often.

[tmark]

Like the $4.00 per gallon gasoline prices, when the price was too much for the drivers, they stopped driving so often and the demand for gas was less, so was the price of gas. The OPECKERS got the message and lowered the crude oil prices. The LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND is applicable to any commodity, even small rifle primers! Don't be so demanding (hoarding)! This is not rocket science, people. We, the consumer, can control pricing, if we act strategically.

[Matt Anthony]

Like the $4.00 per gallon gasoline prices, when the price was too much for the drivers, they stopped driving so often and the demand for gas was less, so was the price of gas. The OPECKERS got the message and lowered the crude oil prices. The LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND is applicable to any commodity, even small rifle primers! Don't be so demanding (hoarding)! This is not rocket science, people. We, the consumer, can control pricing, if we act strategically.

You are forgetting that it's 2009 and not 1990 or anyother date. Prices of components to manufacture primers have increased 3 fold. Brass has skyrocketed as has the manufacture costs to produce the primer compound. Wolf raised their prices 25%, not due to demand, but due to their cost to produce the item.
If people are waiting for primers and powder to drop to pre 2009 prices, don't hold your breath, that's not going to happen. And as far as hoarders selling at inflated prices, that's their business. If one needs them and wants to pay $40. to $50. per thousand, then do it, but stop crying in your beer!
As far as the consumer controlling prices, that does happen with many products and fuel to an extent. There still are costs involved with crude! We just saw how the speculators boosted the price to $145.00 per barrel, yes, price fixing, and nothing was done about it! That had nothing to do with demand!
As long as metal is high, bullets will be high, but I doubt any of the bullet companies lower their prices in the future if metal goes down, if anything they will maintain the present price and leave it at that.
Did you check Widener's, Sinclair, PowderValley, Bruno's, Midsouth, Natchez and Champion yet for primers? Oh, if you want to order primers, you can backorder them through Sinclair and Powdervalley. As they receive them, orders will be filled by the date of the back order. First come, first serve basis.