Fake Canadian No 4(T)

[terryinvictoria]

For some time there has been a number of fake 4-T Enfields assembled in the Victoria BC area.

These are passed off (sold) at gun shows as real T rifles.

Recently I have been told that new 4T Scope mounts and pads are now being manufactured in Sidney BC just north of Victoria on Vancouver Island and the first set is either delivered or being finished and I am told they are not cheap.

Apparentl the fellow (so I am told) will be fitting out No4 rifles with the parts and selling tem as T rifles.

However, I have to say this is the word in the local gun community (not mine) and some have no nice words for the fake reproduction and sale of "said fakes".

Will report more as the product reaches the hands of all you out there.

Just be aware that if any 4T rifles seem to be coming out of Canada any time soon that one would be well advised to "check the unit with a microscope" or bear the knoweledge that you have been had.

I have seen real suspect stampings and markings on some of these rifles in the past eight years.
Have not bought one for that reason alone.

Regards
Terry in Victoria BC

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[Surpmil]

For some time there has been a number of fake 4-T Enfields assembled in the Victoria BC area.

These are passed off (sold) at gun shows as real T rifles.

Recently I have been told that new 4T Scope mounts and pads are now being manufactured in Sidney BC just north of Victoria on Vancouver Island and the first set is either delivered or being finished and I am told they are not cheap.

Apparentl the fellow (so I am told) will be fitting out No4 rifles with the parts and selling tem as T rifles.

However, I have to say this is the word in the local gun community (not mine) and some have no nice words for the fake reproduction and sale of "said fakes".

Will report more as the product reaches the hands of all you out there.

Just be aware that if any 4T rifles seem to be coming out of Canada any time soon that one would be well advised to "check the unit with a microscope" or bear the knoweledge that you have been had.

I have seen real suspect stampings and markings on some of these rifles in the past eight years.
Have not bought one for that reason alone.

Regards
Terry in Victoria BC

Dear Terry,

The mounts that are being made for me are IWS bracket reproductions, nothing else. If you haven't seen it, they are fully described in my fixed price eBay listings. My feedback speaks for itself I think.

If you'd like a reproduction N92 style bracket I suggest you contact Dr. Payne.

I sold my last 'spare' original bracket to John as he has mentioned in this thread.

The bracket that I sold John in a moment of weakness(!) was numbered by me to match a No4(T) that I had completely refurbished. It came from the infamous "JR the Webley King" and while it had an excellent original barrel, it was ROUGH in finish and woodwork. I also didn't like the poor filing etc. on the receiver, so I tidied it all up, glass beaded, parkerized, painted in the military manner etc. It looks damn good now if do say so myself. That was more than 15 years ago of course and prices, scarcity and demand have made such refurbishing of a No4(T) unwise from a resale point of view. However, that was then and I did it to please myself, not anyone else.

Now that bracket happens to be the only thing I've ever renumbered. My rifle and if I want to refinish and renumber it, within the confines of law of course, no one's business but mine and as I still have the rifle I intend to get the bracket back one day as it will make a nice shooting set for those rare occasions when I get to the range.

If you'd spoken to me at the show a few years ago where John bought the bracket, I would have told you as I told everyone else who enquired about it, exactly what had been done to the mount and rifle.

I didn't have to tell anyone, and knowing how some people think, or don't, I suppose it would have been more 'tactical' not to say anything, but then I'd be passing it off as original and that isn't my game.

I don't know who's telling you the stories about building No4(T)s, I very much doubt anyone is doing so, certainly not me! Still it makes a good story and we all know how stories grow with the telling.

I go most of the lower island gunshows, I've never seen these "fake No4(T)s", how did you know they were fake?