Fake Canadian No 4(T)

[Gnr527]

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[PrinzEugen]

Where is it for sale then? UK?

[Gnr527]

The post doesnt say - but LERA is UK based so I suspect it is, If anyone needs to pursue it they could probably do so through the posting

[Mk VII]

English libel laws will probably make people careful about saying too much to identify this vendor.

[Peter Laidler]

I saw the 'last SMLE in the inventory of the Royal Navy' offered for sale in a similar magazine, purporting to have been used for mine clearance and line throwing on the old Ice Patrol and Survey ship HMS Endurance before it was scrapped. I doubted this because I happened to know that they used L1A1 SLR's for their line throwing and doubt that many mines were laid around the antarctic! I also happened to know the Stores Officer, a now retired Lt Commander on the said ship no less - who is also a keen shooter, a firearms dealer and all-round good bloke who would recognise a solitary SMLE among the Lanchesters and L1A1's on his ship. He also said that the notion of an SMLE rifle on that or ANY Royal Navy ship for ANY purpose in the 80's was pure horse manure. He wasn't as polite as that though! But STILL they wouldn't pull the ad or invite the dealer vendor to 'alter it slightly'.

It also reminded me of an little garage where I lived as a boy in the 50's. It had an old jeep as a general hack, still painted in the old post war RAF blue/grey colour and the words 'GUARD ROOM' still slightly visible. I saw this same jeep, 20 or so years later, now gleaming and in mint condition, displayed at a show being declared as the jeep that Ike liberated Paris in ....or some other such fairy story. Not only was the English registration number the same, but even the holes where the garage winch and jib were previously fitted were still intact!

Yes, fake No4T's....where were we?

[terryinvictoria]

For some time there has been a number of fake 4-T Enfields assembled in the Victoria BC area.

These are passed off (sold) at gun shows as real T rifles.

Recently I have been told that new 4T Scope mounts and pads are now being manufactured in Sidney BC just north of Victoria on Vancouver Island and the first set is either delivered or being finished and I am told they are not cheap.

Apparentl the fellow (so I am told) will be fitting out No4 rifles with the parts and selling tem as T rifles.

However, I have to say this is the word in the local gun community (not mine) and some have no nice words for the fake reproduction and sale of "said fakes".

Will report more as the product reaches the hands of all you out there.

Just be aware that if any 4T rifles seem to be coming out of Canada any time soon that one would be well advised to "check the unit with a microscope" or bear the knoweledge that you have been had.

I have seen real suspect stampings and markings on some of these rifles in the past eight years.
Have not bought one for that reason alone.

Regards
Terry in Victoria BC

[No4Mk1(T)]

That’s interesting Terry. I haven’t heard about that yet. Do you know who it is?
A number of years ago I saw a fellow selling what looked like a table full of NO4T’s at the Sidney B.C. show. On close inspection it became obvious they were fake but the seller was quite willing to let me believe (or so he thought) for some time they were original. He confessed he had made them when it became obvious I had some knowledge of the No4T.

[Peter Laidler]

Putting fakes into figures, you can only fake so many No4T's until you run out of telescopes.... which I think number 26,000 or so. Less the 1100 or so L42's less the 80 of both sorts or so that I have personally or been closely involved in wriiting off/reduced to scrap............. Phew, it's still a lot!

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Speaking of line throwing guns, I do have a No4 that was used for that purpose.
No sights and a LARGE LT in white paint on the buttstock.
You didn't really need sights cause a ship was a rather easy short range target

[John R.]

Four or five years ago a certain well known Western gun dealer(one who won't knowingly be OVERsold) had TWO LB T's at the"Calgary Easter Gun Show".
One was righteous and he had apparently swindled some farmer(who knew not what he had) out of it for bupkes/peanuts.That rifle was a gem and all matching(a 90L8xxx with the matching REL No32Mk3 scope and rubber pad bottomed scope case etc) while the second one was a TOTAL hump.Only the No32Mk3 REL scope was righteous.The fellow who is now the WO/ic Sniper Rifle Development and Procurement at DND-HQ brought it over to my tables and asked for a critique.The dealer/fraudster knew VERY well that it was a hump but was lying his fool head off defending the piece.Honesty and honour fly out the window with that scumzoid when a dollar may be made.No fewer than 5 well experienced Long Branch nuts told this putz that he was trying to sell an outright fake for over five grand and all that happened was that his Brit accent got shriller along with an elevated decibel level.

I have refused to buy anything from the thief ever since nor will I buy anything anyone else is selling that he imported.I am sure that rifle is out there somewhere probably being lovingly fondled by someone who gives it pride of place in his collection.There aren't all that many Long Branch T's floating about Western Canada so be aware and REALLY ask lots of questions and demand provenance should anyone attempt to sell you a LB/T.Post lots of photos here and use Clive Law's book on Canadian Sniper Rifles for reference too.El Scumbago sold that rifle so it's out there someplace."Prenez GARDE mes enfants"!!JR