I think the original poster's question has been answered. Once a thread gets too long, and the posters roam, they tend to cause my interest to wane as there are too many topics in that post to follow any rational discussion.

Perhaps it's time to end this one and carry any further topics of interest to a new thread.

Just my 2 cents worth

Besides, I'm getting that familiar tension in my gut that alerts me to the fact that moderation will soon be needed and then nobody's happy