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[gunner]

I also like to have one but the repro gun BD44 is out of my price range $ 3526.
I`ve seen this one running for $ 7.700!!!

A Sturmgewehr / assault rifle mod. 44 (MP 44 or StG 44), code "wj 45",

calibre 8 x 33, no. 4635. Matching numbers. 30 rounds. Optional single -, continuous fire or fire burst. Left on housing marked "MP 44", on magazine well stamped "4635 G/45" at the bottom "wj" with eagle/"WaA623" = HASAG Hugo Schneider AG, Oberweißbach/T. factory. Various further codes with WaA acceptance stamps of suppliers. Mixed surface finish from last 1945 production phase: housing darkly phosphatised, hand guard and grip frame blued. Weapon without rust film etc., only wear and storage marks. Wooden stock spotty, can be improved by gentle cleaning. Correct blued magazine with "StG44". Emergency leather strap. Very good overall condition. Length 94 cm. BKA exemption required.

Regards

Gunner

[us019255]

From a couple of WWII vets I worked with. It seems to depend on where you served.

In Europe one shot easily convinced a German that his personal war was over. In the Pacific, at least one, Jap sapper needed 5 hits from a Carbine to stop his attack on a tank. My coworker, traded his carbine for a M1903. He reported that one shot stopped the (obsenity deleted) Nips every time.

My bottom line is that I am glad that we have people like this so I can sit next to my stove in MT happy warm and comfortable.

[Tired Retired]

I do believe that Audie Murphy preferred a carbine. He was comfortable with the "trade-off" of cartridge power (30-06) with close-up, quick reaction shooting (carbine).

[INLAND44]

'Despite what the Russians and Mr. Kalashnikov may say, it was the inspiration for the AK47 concept.'

This is a fact. The guys on the AK forums hate this idea and always refer to M. Kalashnikov strongly denying it, but there's no way he came up with essentially the same gun totally independently, especially considering the new German weapon was used in Russia for the first time and some would have been captured early on. Speaking of the AK, there's a new cartridge made by PRVI and sold by Widener's that has a round-nose bullet with exposed lead nose - looks like a great defense/hunting round

[imarangemaster]

7.76x39 M67 Yugo flat base FMJ yaws withing 4 inches, and does well. The Russian (Wolf and Barnaul) hollow points and the soft points do unbelievable damage. They HPs become almost frangible and the SPs break up too. I've seen wild boar pice of the damage done by them and it is impressive!

[Brasidas]

I've had several conversations about the effectiveness of the M1 carbine with my Dad, who is a WW2 combat vet. He was a forward observer and, as he puts it, wasn't looking for combat, just information. As long as he didn't try shots past 100 yards, he was very satisfied with his carbine.

Often he would rapidly empty one or two full magazines in the right direction and then bug out. Being on the receiving end of that forced his adversary keep his head down and seek cover long enough for him to slip away.

When he was really close to trouble, two to the chest and one to the head solved the problem just fine.

It seemed to work 'cause he's still here to talk about it.

[campperrykid]

I had no idea that yaw cycle was a factor in the effectiveness of the carbine till I saw this info.
There's a drawing of Typical .30 Caliber Carbine Wound Profiles about half way down the page.
M1 Carbines - M4Carbine.net Forums

By modern standards, .30 carbine FMJ has a late/deep yaw cycle in gel & mammals. Might be another clue about the differences in reported effectiveness against different enemies.

[imarangemaster]

I also like to have one but the repro gun BD44 is out of my price range $ 3526.
I`ve seen this one running for $ 7.700!!!

A Sturmgewehr / assault rifle mod. 44 (MP 44 or StG 44), code "wj 45",

calibre 8 x 33, no. 4635. Matching numbers. 30 rounds. Optional single -, continuous fire or fire burst. Left on housing marked "MP 44", on magazine well stamped "4635 G/45" at the bottom "wj" with eagle/"WaA623" = HASAG Hugo Schneider AG, Oberweißbach/T. factory. Various further codes with WaA acceptance stamps of suppliers. Mixed surface finish from last 1945 production phase: housing darkly phosphatised, hand guard and grip frame blued. Weapon without rust film etc., only wear and storage marks. Wooden stock spotty, can be improved by gentle cleaning. Correct blued magazine with "StG44". Emergency leather strap. Very good overall condition. Length 94 cm. BKA exemption required.

Regards

Gunner

I WANT IT! Of course, I want a lot of things that I can't have. Oh well, if I win the lottery and move to Oregon....

[gunner]

Rangemaster,

if you move to Oregon make sure that there will be a house for me too! And then lets look how we can deal with the lottery.

Regards

Gunner

[imarangemaster]

Ist Gutt! I think it is more likely that I will see the "Second Coming" before I see a lottery win!