History Channel Show

[INLAND44]

A guy was demonstrating the differences in power of several WWII rifles and cartridges. He was firing at about 20 feet into a block of what appeared to be modeling clay sitting on a log. The .30-06 bored a baseball-sized hole through it and the block stayed on the log. The M1 Carbine completely blew up the clay block, which flew off the log, and the bullet stayed in the clay. Pretty cool demonstration of transfer of energy compared to over-penetration, and the very reason the .30 Carbine is so ideal as a personal/home defense weapon.

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[imarangemaster]

I shot a box (actually bag out of the 50lb box) of old sheet rock mud with a 55 grain M193 5.56mm from a 20" 1/12" AR15 one time. Wow! I'd love to see that carbine demo on History channel.

[phil441]

Do you happen to remember the name of the program? I've seen a couple concerning ballistics, but never one that included the Carbine.

[Curt]

I saw the one the other night about.Snipers excellent

[Harlan (Deceased)]

I saw the one Inland was talking about a couple of months ago and I was amazed at the damage the carbine round did to the clay.
(So was the guy who did the demonstration!)

The whole back side of the large block of clay was blown out.

[imarangemaster]

I saw the one Inland was talking about a couple of months ago and I was amazed at the damage the carbine round did to the clay.
(So was the guy who did the demonstration!)

The whole back side of the large block of clay was blown out.

We do underestimate the power of these little PDWs. Even though we love them, we have been inundated with years of propaganda about the "thick clothing" "lack of stopping power" and "only a pistol cartridge" myths. S I have said in the past, I killed a black tail deer with one shot, and actually through the years killed several feral dogs in the Sierras with it using ball ammo. One shot each. (Before the PETA crowd squawks, packs of feral dogs who have been abandoned by city dwellers and locals in the foothills and mountains band together in large packs and take out domestic animals on the fringe. In our case, it was horses and pony they were after. I know one hunter who was attacked in Big Sur area)

[INLAND44]

It may have been the Military Channel - I'll see if I can find a listing.

[gunner]

Hi,

at the screening room was a clip about the weapons used in WWII, and there you can see the carbine bullet flying through an german steel helmet without any problem. So it is powerfull and by the bullet design it will stop an enemy. I think the most have forgotten that they cant compare a Carbine with an Garand, and that this rifle wasnt designed for the same tasks like the Garands.

Regards

Gunner

[imarangemaster]

Another under-rated weapon was the STG43/44! It was a long step ahead of the carbine in power and usefulness! While the carbine was designed as a PDW, the STG44 was a true assault rifle. Despite what the Russians and Mr. Kalashnikov may say, it was the inspiration for the AK47 concept. Yes the Russian were working on the cartridge long before, but like the M1 carbine cartridge in the beginning, it was a cartridge with weapons designed around it. I would almost give my left arm to have a semi auto STG44!

PS. I handled a bore plugged STG44 when I was about 19, and loved it. It is heavier, and I did not mean to say it was designed to fill the same role as the carbine. The STG is a main battle weapon. Often, the carbine (especially in M2 trim) was used to try to push the envelope and pretend to be an STG44.

[us019255]

From a couple of WWII vets I worked with. It seems to depend on where you served.

In Europe one shot easily convinced a German that his personal war was over. In the Pacific, at least one, Jap sapper needed 5 hits from a Carbine to stop his attack on a tank. My coworker, traded his carbine for a M1903. He reported that one shot stopped the (obsenity deleted) Nips every time.

My bottom line is that I am glad that we have people like this so I can sit next to my stove in MT happy warm and comfortable.