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Originally Posted by
Singer B
I've had a pile of them...too. My point was that everyone seems to be too worried whether it's "Correct" or what. Not much chance of changing anything from as it is here in Canada...not really. Yes, nice...I'd have it.
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07-16-2020 11:32 PM
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You guys seem to be missing the the word “almost”, and also the question mark at the end. I never once tried to state this thing was all original - clearly it’s not. But is it mostly original? It’s a question. So let’s settle down a bit and move on. I’m looking for your expertise, because I think it’s at least partially, if not mostly original - with some replacement parts that were likely an attempt to restore it back to “correct”. I say this because I think it would have been a nearly impossible feat here in Canada to assemble this rifle and get this many parts correct. I think most of the parts must have been there from the start and the “incorrect” ones replaced over time. There just isn’t the supply to build this. Now, which parts are which? What more information/pictures do you need?
Last edited by hurrikane18; 07-17-2020 at 12:39 AM.
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Originally Posted by
musketjon
Shouldn't the stock be an NFR and not a GAW? Is the -9 op rod a flat or radiused side? Is the safety -11 or _11? There is a huge difference.
There's also a HUGE difference between original and correct. A rifle is only original once--the day it left the armory.
Jon
Okay so first, I understand the difference between original and correct. Just because a rifle isn’t 100% “original” doesn’t mean it can’t have some “original” parts. I’m not experienced with the M1 Garand, but I’m experienced in researching WWII rifles as I collect them. I’m finding the M1 Garand particularly difficult to find information on (even tougher than the M1 Carbine). All I really have to go off is usriflecal30m1 - I entered my serial number and it brought up a huge list of parts that would be correct for my rifle. Every part I found markings on was included on this list. Both NFR and GAW stocks showed up on the list too, so what makes you say GAW is incorrect? As for the -9 op rod, what do you need a picture of? I don’t think the list mentioned flat or radius. As for the safety, it looks like _1 now that you mention it, but I’ll have to disassemble and look again. What’s the difference? It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge and I’d love to learn, if you’re done poo-pooing my rifle lol.
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Trying to figure out what's the correct era for the serial number will just be frustrating...and pointless.
AMEN. If one part is wrong it puts everything into question. There is a legal maxim about a witness that says "Falsus unum, falsus omnia." If he tells one lie, you have to discount his entire testimony.
Real men measure once and cut.
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AMEN. If one part is wrong it puts everything into question. There is a legal maxim about a witness that says "Falsus unum, falsus omnia." If he tells one lie, you have to discount his entire testimony.
Well we can agree to disagree on that. When it comes to WWII rifles, if it’s 100% original, it probably doesn’t have much of a story to tell. It was either unissued or it just didn’t see many battles. Not that I wouldn’t want it - from a collectors standpoint, 100% original is the holy grail. But from a history standpoint, I’d LOVE to have the rifle that’s 80% original with 20% replacement parts because they got worn out, dinged up, or broken during the war and had to be replaced. Just because it’s not your cup of tea doesn’t mean it’s worthless just because one or two parts aren’t original from factory.
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We don't really disagree, your points are valid. My point is only that it is usually impossible to differentiate a rifle such as you describe from a total rebuild that some collector partially restored with a few correct parts.
Real men measure once and cut.
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We don't really disagree, your points are valid. My point is only that it is usually impossible to differentiate a rifle such as you describe from a total rebuild that some collector partially restored with a few correct parts.
Well after all this, my question remains: which parts are “correct” and which ones aren’t? I guess I should just go off the list I found on USRifleCAL30M1 and do my own research. Unlike you guys, I quite like this rifle and want to learn more about it - even if it’s not 100% original. I think it’s neat to find something like this in Canada when the majority of the market are complete mix-masters and just finding a WWII Garand can prove to be a difficult and expensive task. I am certainly jealous of your U.S. market, even more so now that I’ve read these comments
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Originally Posted by
hurrikane18
Unlike you guys, I quite like this rifle
You've misunderstood, we do like it. They're just answering your question about originality.
Originally Posted by
hurrikane18
just finding a WWII Garand can prove to be a difficult and expensive task
There's a guy in London ON I should try to put you in contact with, he has a set of five all correct/original time capsules, he searched long and hard for them. One was my LL M1 SA 328219 that was all original/correct/unaltered. Now he has all five inspector stamps and the accompanying rifles. That took some looking and some coin. I probably sold mine about six years ago...
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Hurrikane,
The site you reference is known to be loaded with incorrect information.
Back when I started studying and collecting M1 rifles (40 or so years ago) there was no 'net. Reading books, asking LOTS of questions and writing letters was the norm. I've paid my dues. I'm usually freely forth-coming with the info one asks for but your snydeness does not warrant it. Read the books, write the letters and ask the questions yourself. Good luck on your endeavors, mon ami.
Jon
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