Gun show carbines

[painter777]

When you have a recoil plate that is original to a stock, they are almost glued into the wood. They are very hard to remove and there are minute milling marks on top. These marks transfer directly to the wood of the stock and the initial application of linseed oil preserves them forever. It is a fingerprint.

This is a big part of the reason I look for wear patterns 'BEFORE' a Carbine is Detail cleaned. I documented one here for all to see with pictures being taken as I tore it down.

See my replies from #23 to #38.
#38 Shows the Recoil plate impression Dave and I are talking about.
I've tried to remove the Butt plate on this one about 3 times. I wasn't able to remove and stopped trying, afraid of scarring it or damaging it.

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[tenOC]

That little 5.6 had one more hurdle to get over to be recognized. It had a real odd ball ordnance ball on the gas cylinder. I put it out there and it was immediately thrown under the bus. "Never seen one like that" "Humped" Blah, Blah. Marty Black just told me it was an oddball marking that's all. And in the last CC copy Marty sent out showed a photo of the mark and asked anyone who had one like it to let them know. After a few months up popped the devil, several were out there, identical to the one on my gun. One guy, I forget who it was PM'd me to let me know it was legit and there was proof now. That gun had scratch marks around the front sight where someone had put one of those ugly flash hiders on it and scratched the area good and proper. In those days a lot of people used front sight scratches as proof that it had been tampered with. Why anyone would go to the trouble to remove a type 3 band and then replace it with a type 2 instead of a type 1 eludes me. Most didn't even know that Winchester assembled guns AFTER they were finished so every Winchester has some scratches around the front sight.

The only calm and sensible person on these posts was Seth who always said everything was faked. One work responses "Fake".

Just remembered to address this from Charlie's post. When you have a recoil plate that is original to a stock, they are almost glued into the wood. They are very hard to remove and there are minute milling marks on top. These marks transfer directly to the wood of the stock and the initial application of linseed oil preserves them forever. It is a fingerprint.

Dave, a lot of us gave you a hard time about it because you used to rant in a way to put other people down in their enjoyment of the hobby, so we gave it back to you.
It was earned.

[DaveHH]

Dave, a lot of us gave you a hard time about it because you used to rant in a way to put other people down in their enjoyment of the hobby, so we gave it back to you.
It was earned.

You got that right. I was a Royal Pain in the A$$ about part swapping. It finally got through my thick skull that these people were just doing what they wanted with their possessions. I predicted that all of these corrected guns would someday be out on the market with no one the wiser. The standard reply was " When I sell them, I'll put all of the old stuff back on them". Well that didn't happen, but it's none of my business anyway.

[tenOC]

You got that right. I was a Royal Pain in the A$$ about part swapping. It finally got through my thick skull that these people were just doing what they wanted with their possessions. I predicted that all of these corrected guns would someday be out on the market with no one the wiser. The standard reply was " When I sell them, I'll put all of the old stuff back on them". Well that didn't happen, but it's none of my business anyway.

Honestly, I didn't believe the barrel proof was legit at the same time. And today, there is still so much I and we don't know. On swapping, it was my goal to drive people into the open doing it, instead of driving them into the shadows hiding it. We still figure out who the people doing it are, or at least which Carbines are worked over regardless of how open they are about it's condition when they got it.
After all this time I don't build much anymore. There are a few pieces that just need a stock or something but they're unique enough that I leave the probable wrong stock on them.

I have IP stuff in mid project and an M1A1 or 2. Still have an S'G' receiver from GB that has flip staking I bought to build. It's a lost cause, probably.

[jimb16]

Dave! The mention of "Seth" set me to chuckling! I remember him well....

[painter777]

Don't forgot the Ultra Rare Seth-Ola that Harlan was able to buy from Seth before Seth disappeared...

IIRC Mid summer of 2015, JimF and I put a Underwood Carbine together and sent it to Harlan. I had a MU stocked, W coded Underwood barreled receiver with rear Adj sight, Type III barrel band and front sight.
Jim threw in all the internals, Sling, magazines, belt / Stock pouches. I told Harlan I had a Underwood W code receiver he could build up to lure his FFL'S address from him.
This was shortly after his Wife had sold all his carbines while he was in the hospital. We wanted him to have one him and his son could shoot and get to spending more time together. His son had started drifting away from him and we knew they both enjoyed shooting the Carbine.
He got it, Thanked us dearly. But neither Jim or I ever got any details about shooting it.
That next January we lost Harlan. Never hearing from his son.

I really miss both Harlan and Jim...

The SETH-OLA

[browningautorifle]

I really miss both Harlan and Jim...

Could have met JimF by going across the straights about 30 miles to Sequim WA when he moved there and could have met Harlan in Dallas/Ft Worth when I was in the airport there...if I'd messaged him ahead of time. Missed my chance on both. Yep, I miss 'em too.

[lboos]

When I started this thread I had high hopes of correcting one of my two carbines back to it's org. WW-2 configuration, kinda like a before and after, BUT, when I started looking for the org. parts it would take to do this right and the asking price: Type 1 barrel band 175-$250, org. flip sight $200, front sight $90- $100 plus the tools required: front sight remove and install $50, rear sight remove and install $50 and that's not counting the small items like mag. release and safety.

Sooooo,.....that, and the expert comments here, I decided to leave it in a Korea, Vietnam era configuration, since I was lucky enough to have visited VN more then once in my younger days. But it was fun looking for the parts it would take, and to make sure the parts would be correct [U.S. M1 carbines, war time production by Graig Riesch] and this forum.

And I still think the M1 carbine is the best looking small arms the Military has ever had, and it has sure seen it's share of wars.
Here's a few pic's of mine with some of it's Vietnam items. Thanks for looking.

[jimb16]

That is still a sweet lookin' carbine!

[jond41403]

Love the carbine and the jeep!