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    Question JMQ type 3 bands

    I have a type 3 band on a CMPicon carbine. It is marked EM-Q on the bayonet lug and JMQ on the band. Riesch makes no mention of anything marked JMQ. Any of you guys know anything about these (where they came from and when)?



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    Its a late war/post war upgrade part. It was made by J.M.Mueller Furnace Co. with the lug made by Endicott Machine.
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    I was going to start a new thread asking some help on identifying this band, but after searching JMQ, decided to tack something on to this one. I think I asked about this 7 or 8 years ago on BattleRifles.com and one of you guys told me it was Mueller Furnace. Since that time I found a document on the Internet that lists the code for Mueller Furnace as just "m" (lower case). My band is actually marked J.M.Q. so I'm assuming it was a replacement intended for QHMC. Were these made under a late WWII contract and then installed during the post war arsenal rebuilds? My bayonet lug is stamped CQ and I'm guessing that's Consolidated for QHMC. Does this sound right? - Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by USGI View Post
    I was going to start a new thread asking some help on identifying this band, but after searching JMQ, decided to tack something on to this one. I think I asked about this 7 or 8 years ago on BattleRifles.com and one of you guys told me it was Mueller Furnace. Since that time I found a document on the Internet that lists the code for Mueller Furnace as just "m" (lower case). My band is actually marked J.M.Q. so I'm assuming it was a replacement intended for QHMC. Were these made under a late WWII contract and then installed during the post war arsenal rebulds? My bayonet lug is stamped CQ and I'm guessing that's Consolidated for QHMC. Does this sound right? - Bob
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    There is a very good 7 page article in CC newsletter #356 dated Nov 2009 that talks about and shows sketches of the type 3 barrel bands.

    It lists J.M.Q. on the band with CQ, EM-Q or nothing on the lug. Made during and post WW2

    J.M.Q. being Mueller made for Quality Hardware

    CM, CQ probably refer to Consolidated Industries
    EM-Q being Elgin Metal Novelty for the lugs.
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    Does CC newsletter #356 list who MMQ was on the band?

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    Guys: None of them were Post War. These bands were all produced during WWII.

    Atlas Manufacturing, St. Paul, Mn (Ord 3863) June 44..... July 45
    Donaldson Co. St. Paul. Mn (Ord 3869) June 44..... Apr 45
    L J Mueller Furnace Co. Milwaukee, Wi. (Ord 4244) July 44....... Apr 45
    Quality Hardware, Chicago, Ill. (Ord 3862) June 44..... June 45

    It appears that Quality Hardware had several sub contractors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Ricca View Post
    Guys: None of them were Post War. These bands were all produced during WWII.

    Atlas Manufacturing, St. Paul, Mn (Ord 3863) June 44..... July 45
    Donaldson Co. St. Paul. Mn (Ord 3869) June 44..... Apr 45
    L J Mueller Furnace Co. Milwaukee, Wi. (Ord 4244) July 44....... Apr 45
    Quality Hardware, Chicago, Ill. (Ord 3862) June 44..... June 45

    It appears that Quality Hardware had several sub contractors.
    Thanks Bill, good info.

    I note in "War Baby," pgs 383-384 "Summing Up the Quality HMC Carbine Program," Ruth does not even list the type III band w/bayonet lug. Is this just an oversight, or is it discussed elsewhere in the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Ricca View Post
    Guys: None of them were Post War. These bands were all produced during WWII.

    Atlas Manufacturing, St. Paul, Mn (Ord 3863) June 44..... July 45
    Donaldson Co. St. Paul. Mn (Ord 3869) June 44..... Apr 45
    L J Mueller Furnace Co. Milwaukee, Wi. (Ord 4244) July 44....... Apr 45
    Quality Hardware, Chicago, Ill. (Ord 3862) June 44..... June 45

    It appears that Quality Hardware had several sub contractors.

    Bill,

    I should have said made during the war, used during and post war.

    Thanks for correcting me.

    Jim

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