Double thick No.4 Barrel Bands

[jmoore]

Odd ball 0.080" thick bands that came w/ the 1941 Maltby.
Usual thickness seems to be 0.038"-0.040"...









Both C.E.W marked-C. E. Welstead (Mfg code S127)

Its really hard to close the front band sufficiently for the clamping screw to engage.

Anybody else familiar w/ these?

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[madcratebuilder]

This band measures .070 average. It has the square S Savage stamp. The DP I assume is Drill Purpose? Really sad because Savages parts are hard to come by. I've thought about scrubbing the DP off.

[Thunderbox]

The "thick" bands are very common - made by both UK and US contractors. Some of the Savage bands are so strong that you often have to use a clamp to close them enough for the screw to bite - either that or score the woodwork trying to slide them on!

The thick bands are often a source of the problem where front handguards slide forward under recoil - fouling the foresight and causing stringing in the group. Factory-fitted bands seem to be ok, but often rifles have been rebuilt and someone has failed to check the band fit. The thin stamped bands tend to shape to the wood much easier.

[jmoore]

The thick bands are often a source of the problem where front handguards slide forward under recoil - fouling the foresight and causing stringing in the group.

That was the drama we had when shooting the Maltby the first time. Threw on a thinner one that locks the handguard in place for the next trip out.

For some reason, I've never run across these before, at least that I can remember.

[Peter Laidler]

I read somewhere, I think it was in a small arms information sheet (pre EMER's but after Insts for Armourers), that the increase in thickness was permitted under one of those relaxation in standards thinggies for two reasons. First, to allow manufacturers to make the best uses of their resources and of materials in stock and b; If the clamping lugs were blob welded (another technical Engineering term for you colonials and antipodeans, indicating old fashioned high or fixed amperage welding sets with minimum adjustment. Hence snotty or blobby welds. Also used in Leyland cars) in place, the blob welding would just blow the thin steel away. If someone can correct this or if I'm thinking about something else, then feel free to corrct me but I MIGHT be thinking Sten Gun here too............

[Brian Dick]

It's just the difference between milled and stamped/fabricated parts. The stamped ones are much easier to work with too IMHO. All of the Savage and early Long Branch bands were milled but the Long Branch lower bands were machined with a nice contour and differ from the Savage ones which were left "beefy" throughout. Early production nBritish rifles had milled bands too but a mixture and then stamped bands can be found on '43 and later rifles. Later production fabricated bands had to be much easier to produce, were fitted much easier and performed the same job perfectly. Savage is the only manufacturer I know of that used milled bands exclusively until the end of production in 1944.

[jona]

CEW was a Canadian supplier.

[Brian Dick]

CEW is C.E. Welstead which was a manufacturer/subcontractor of component parts in England not Canada.

[jmoore]

Jona, maybe you were thinking of "CCM"?

I did put the name and the manufacturer's code (S127) in the original post altough the code isn't on the bands pictured. Its not even edited- a rarity for me!