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    Quote Originally Posted by KneverKnew View Post
    Looks like ones on stripper clips from green bandoleer say LC 52. Possibly the Chinese?
    The Chinese ammo is brand new, those are WW2 surplus Twin Cities. Chinese is Lake City. As for the Frenchicon, remember they used M1A1icon carbines for years so they had the ammo made (1950).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KneverKnew View Post
    Labels look Frenchicon. Corrosive? Safe?
    Yes, those boxes are French and also likely corrosive, would not shoot it. The one round pictured with the TW 43 head stamp is interesting, TW is for Twin Cities Ordnance Plant but I personally was not aware that this plant produced carbine ammo during WWII, and it is not listed in any of the Ruth books, so I would say the TW ammo may have some collector value. Post a picture of your LC 52 but I do not believe that the Chinese LC 52 ever came on stripper clips, do you have any of the bandoleers? See the below links for some more info.

    LC 52 - The Carbine Collector's Club - Page 1

    https://forums.thecmp.org/forum/cmp-...0-carbine-ammo

    Edit to add: Sorry I was typing when Jim above was posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W5USMC View Post
    Yes, those boxes are Frenchicon and also likely corrosive, would not shoot it.
    I still don't get the fear of corrosive, just clean appropriately after and all will be well. Problems arise if daily cleaning isn't done. The troops were out for days or weeks at end and the corrosive salts drew moisture to rust the barrel.
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    Jim, you are likely correct, but I think it is more of an issue with the gas system on the carbine and getting it cleaned properly after shooting corrosive ammo. Don't know 1st hand because I have never shot the corrosive stuff through a carbine. I have shot plenty through my SKS with no issues. As some have mentioned in the CMPicon link I posted above they have shot it and they say they have not had any issues, lots of different opinions.

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    Went to the range with the inland carbine and my 8 year old son. Used some
    Of the milsurp ammo at 50 yards. Aiming at 6 o’clock. My boy out shot me. ?
    The printed target was mine. Big black dot was my sons. Minus his flyer he got a great group.

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    Looks good! Is the rear sight still set for 200 or 250 yds ? I have an older brother who has shot quite a bit of corrosive Chinese ammo through his Inland with no problems, but has been used to shooting WWII GI 30-06 in his Springfields since the mid 50's - also spent 20 yrs in the Army. I agree with Wayne about the gas system concerns on the carbines and that the Frenchicon stuff would be a "no-no". - Bob

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    Some TW History to share

    To add to the excitement here,

    Did anyone know that it was Federal Cartridge Corp. that produced the ammunition at the Twin Cities Ordinance Plant (TCOP) renamed Twin Cities Arsenal in 1946 and then in 1963, the Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant. The contract for Federal Cartridge estimated to be worth $87 million. Construction of the $30 million plant began in August, 1941. Minnesota Gov. Harold Stassen was at the groundbreaking dedication ceremony in August, 1941. Charles Horn, president of Federal Cartridge Corp., also attended and visited periodically. The plant was in full operation by 1942 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt toured the plant. It took 26 to 27 working days for a hunk of brass to become a finished loaded cartridge. Once completed, bullets were tested on a plant firing range.

    In November 1942 tragedy struck when Alexander P. Nelson, 67, was killed in his yard by a ricocheting bullet from the plant. Nelson Road just off Lexington Avenue is named in his memory.

    In 1944 it began overhauling old .30- and .50-caliber ammunition by the use of machines that disassembled them into their components.

    The former Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant (TCAAP) was once home to 48 farming families. The U.S. Army searched for and found the Arden Hills site as a viable place to build a new ordinance plant for production of small-caliber ammunition. The St. Paul Pioneer Press Sept. 11, 1940, noted that the purchase price of $133,685 would be divided among various land owners. All land had to be vacated within a couple of months, which meant farmers had to abandon unharvested fields.

    Within 15 months of groundbreaking, the Army had built 323 buildings, 21.4 miles of water lines, 21.7 miles of roads, 15.6 miles of railroad track, 31.3 miles of sewer lines, 14.1 miles of gas lines, 16.8 miles of steam lines, 28.9 miles of electric wires and 11.1 miles of telephone lines. In 1941 a Fort Snelling water tower was dismantled, transported and reassembled on a hill near what was to be known as the Twin Cities Ordinance Plant (TCOP).

    In between all the construction, soldiers harvested the crops that were growing on the property, including potatoes, garden vegetables, apples, hay and grain. The harvested fruits and vegetables were transported to Fort Snelling for use by military personnel while the grain and hay were sold via sealed bid.

    The site had a failed bid for the new home for the Minnesota Vikings. It was on the List of Super Fund Sites but now Deleted from National Priorities List.

    Maybe this will add a little history to your TW rounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by USGI View Post
    Looks good! Is the rear sight still set for 200 or 250 yds ? I have an older brother who has shot quite a bit of corrosive Chinese ammo through his Inland with no problems, but has been used to shooting WWII GI 30-06 in his Springfields since the mid 50's - also spent 20 yrs in the Army. I agree with Wayne about the gas system concerns on the carbines and that the Frenchicon stuff would be a "no-no". - Bob
    The site was set to 100. I tried shooting first at the lowest setting which is all the way down just below the 100 but it kept popping back up to the 100 every time I shot. Even at 50 yards the 100 sites was giving me Impact 2 low or so from point of aim.

    ---------- Post added at 08:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 PM ----------

    So the fridge corrosive ammo should be fine to shoot as long as I do a thorough proper cleaning of the bore and gas system?

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    Is this the answer to corrosive?

    Quote Originally Posted by KneverKnew View Post
    So the fridge corrosive ammo should be fine to shoot as long as I do a thorough proper cleaning of the bore and gas system?
    'Fridge-French' (?)

    There's a War Department Basic Field Manual for the M1icon Carbine dated May 20, 1942. FM23_7 that shows a Trigger housing with parts that were never used like a Hammer stop and Grooved rear Trigger housing lug. Anyway in one section on cleaning the barrel they go thru the steps of using water. I've often thought this might have been incase the use of Corrosive Ammo was used, even thou it's not mentioned. IIRC it's the only Carbine Field Manual I've seen that mentions water for the bore, it is the earliest. The steps when you read them would have no other explanation on why to use water. I'll copy/paste part of that section:

    From FM23_7 https://photos.imageevent.com/badger...237/FM23-7.pdf

    under CARE AND CLEANING scroll down to 15 AFTER FIRING:
    The bores of all carbines must be thoroughly cleaned by the evening of the day on which they are fired. They should be cleaned in the same manner for the
    next three days. CAUTION: Under no circumstances will
    metal fouling solution be used in the carbine.
    a. Cleaning immediately after firing, or as soon as possible.-For this purpose water must be used; warm water is
    good, but warm, soapy water is better. Hold the carbine
    bottom side up, so that no water will enter the gas port.
    Run several wet patches through the bore. Remove the
    patch section from the cleaning rod, substitute the brush,
    and work this back and forth through the bore several times.
    Care should be used to see that the brush goes all the way
    through the bore before the direction is reversed. Detach
    the brush and run several wet patches through the bore,
    removing them from the breech end. Follow this with dry
    patches until the patches come out clean and dry. Saturate
    a patch in light preservative lubricating oil and push it
    through the bore, holding the rifle, top side up, so that some
    of the oil will flow into the gas port. CAUTION: In cleaning
    the bore, be careful not to foul the cleaning patch in the
    gas port. b. Complete cleaning.-This cleaning should be done as soon
    as possible after that described in a above. If the carbine
    is to be fired the next day proceed as in paragraph 14. If
    the carbine is not to be fired in the next few days repeat procedure in a above for 3 days.
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    Corrosive ammo isn't the problem, not cleaning properly after shooting corrosive ammo is the problem.

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